War has started... [n/t]

Originally posted by royalchicken
Hear, hear. Notice how the participating Western leaders claim to be fighting for the security of their nations, when almost any American I've talked to does not feel threatened?

So far, all I've heard about is the innocent civilians that will die as a result of the coalition forces freeing the Iraqi people from a tyrant such as "Mr." Insane. What about the innocent Kurds and Shiites that this creep "Mr." Insane has killed. Although Iraq may not have been involved in 9-11, he certainly is behind the suicidal murderers in Palastine, by alloting survivor benefits to any sucker willing to die for "Allah". Has anyone seen the CNN spot where the Iraqis were dancing in the streets when the American forces overtook theit city? That footage tells me that thye Iraqi people want to be free from "Mr." Insane....Go USA, Go UK, Go Australia...kick A$$

Originally posted by chancremechanic
So far, all I've heard about is the innocent civilians that will die as a result of the coalition forces freeing the Iraqi people from a tyrant such as "Mr." Insane. What about the innocent Kurds and Shiites that this creep "Mr." Insane has killed. Although Iraq may not have been involved in 9-11, he certainly is behind the suicidal murderers ...[text shortened]... thye Iraqi people want to be free from "Mr." Insane....Go USA, Go UK, Go Australia...kick A$$

Nobody has to put me up to anything where opinions, mine specifically, matter...I stand on my own...🙄

What superb irony we impose in this world. While it is seriously taboo to assasinate a leader, it is much more acceptable to bomb the hell out of them and take half the populace with them. Human rights my ace!

Yeah i agree it was a Unprecidented attack on SEPT 11 but does a POPULAR SUPER POWER have to retaliate in a same fashion of dropping bombs damaging the infrastructure of the IRAQI people's country it IS a terrorist attack that america and britain are pounding the IRAQI people in BAGHDAD they are normal life CIVVIEs like they were on SEPT 11 though we do not hear mourning for them only for the 8Marine's and 4 US service men who died ACCIDENTALLY when they crashed of there own acord(or of the pilot).
I cant think much else to say except STOP THE WAR BEFORE MORE LIVES ARE LOST STUPIDLY AND UNNECESARILY.

I couldn't agree with you more. I'm glad some people still have some sense in them! 😉

Originally posted by Omnislash
What superb irony we impose in this world. While it is seriously taboo to assasinate a leader, it is much more acceptable to bomb the hell out of them and take half the populace with them. Human rights my ace!

Agreed, the TV shows the best possible of outcomes. I would expect nothing else from our government influenced media. I don't mean to infer that it is difinitively inaccurate, in fact I truly hope that is the way it all goes. I must speculate however, that we see are favorable propaganda and not those "other" places. Take it for what you will, but I really find it hard to swallow that we are pumping so much ammo "around" Iraqis and never "into" them.

Originally posted by royalchicken
I certainly meant no insult to Kirk. I'm sure no-one else did either. But Kirk also made a comparison that was demonstrably invalid, and I merely responded, albeit too strongly.

I find your remark about chess quite insightful. I go to a school where about 20 of 900 people play chess regularly, and the school is, by and large, a pack of jingoistic people. So can we conclude that warlike games like chess actually have a peaceful influence?

Originally posted by Omnislash
What superb irony we impose in this world. While it is seriously taboo to assasinate a leader, it is much more acceptable to bomb the hell out of them and take half the populace with them. Human rights my ace!

Originally posted by Acolyte
On average it seems intellectuals are more likely to be peace- and freedom-loving (whether this is a good thing or a bad thing); also I believe intellectuals as a group are disproportionately fond of chess. Coincidence? 😉

Originally posted by tonytiger41
when hussein siezed control of iraq, he publicly assassinated the existing political leaders, so no one should shed tears. also, tossing in the falsehood about 'half the populaton' is simply retoric. yes, war conflicts with human rights, but wars will always exist since we can't avoid new hitlers.

Originally posted by Omnislash
"Rhetoric" is it? Perhaps you would care to enlighten me on just what percentile of the populace being lost is not "rhetoric". If you could rid the world of disease by killing one child, would you do it? What about 10? 100? How many does it take before the ends stop justifying the means?

which ever view point you take there are certain turths which hold their ground no matter what.

1)Iraq has questionable ethics
2)America also has questionable ethics
3)Iraq may or may not have WoMD
4)America has enough WoMD to destroy the planet 10 times over
(nukes 7 times alone)
5)Iraq has been fighting wars constantly
6)America has a tendancy of screwing up the eastern world
7)Iraq has piled its people into the ground
8)The western world can be heavy handed but its people live without fear
9)EVERYTIME europe was in trouble last century, America picked up the pieces
10)france and germany still owes america money after these wars
11)AMERICAN service men died in the fields of France during WW2, they chose to help us.
12)france owns shares in the oil contractors in Iraq, Saddam's companies


what ever you feel about this war the above holds true,
IMO, if this war was really about the oil, we have the means to dessimate the country.
before i was against the war, my fears where:
1)terror attacks
2)saddam was complying with UN

but it seems, we have a handle on the first (3 foiled attacks alrdy)
and saddam is using UN band weapons on our soldiers and on the kuwaiti (sp?) people.
it is time to end saddam for good,
and europe, remember this, next time u need help dont ask the USA