Colored balls in a bag

Colored balls in a bag

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You have a bag with 50 balls in it. 25 of the balls are white, and 25 are black. You draw two balls from the bag at a time. You don't know what color the balls are until you have removed them from the bag. If you draw two white balls, or two black balls, you place a white ball in the bag. If the draw is two balls of different color, you place a black ball in the bag. What is the color of the last ball in the bag? If you start with n white balls, and n black balls, when is the last ball white, and when is the last ball black?

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how disappointing...the title says colored balls and i was looking forward to it, and then its only black and white balls which arent colors. ill give the problem a thought though 😛

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Just a guestimate: if n=even, you end with a white ball, if n= odd you end with a black ball, as in the case with 25 white and 25 black balls.

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Originally posted by Mephisto2
Just a guestimate: if n=even, you end with a white ball, if n= odd you end with a black ball, as in the case with 25 white and 25 black balls.
Very good. You are quite a problem solver. If anyone is interested in Mephisto's logic, PM me, and I'll give you the answer.

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Originally posted by rheymans
Very good. You are quite a problem solver. If anyone is interested in Mephisto's logic, PM me, and I'll give you the answer.
Just messing around with this...if you let the number of balls be different, say "n" black balls and "m" white balls, it turns out that the final colour depends only on the oddness/evenness (parity) of "n", the number of black balls. Interesting!

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Originally posted by PBE6
Just messing around with this...if you let the number of balls be different, say "n" black balls and "m" white balls, it turns out that the final colour depends only on the oddness/evenness (parity) of "n", the number of black balls. Interesting!
Yes, that is right. The white balls are pretty much a distraction in this problem.

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COLOUR
COLOURS
COLOURED

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Originally posted by Bowmann
COLOUR
COLOURS
COLOURED
NO
NOPE
UH-UH

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Originally posted by Bowmann
COLOUR
COLOURS
COLOURED
Seems like a waste of a perfectly good "U". Don't you think? 😉

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Originally posted by rheymans
You have a bag with 50 balls in it. 25 of the balls are white, and 25 are black. You draw two balls from the bag at a time. You don't know what color the balls are until you have removed them from the bag. If you draw two white balls, or two black balls, you place a white ball in the bag. If the draw is two balls of different color, you place a black ...[text shortened]... n white balls, and n black balls, when is the last ball white, and when is the last ball black?
This problem might not be properly stated.

1) What if you draw one black and one white ball ?

2) Is there a separate bag ?

3) Are black and white really colors?

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Originally posted by eldragonfly
This problem might not be properly stated.

1) What if you draw one black and one white ball ?

2) Is there a separate bag ?

3) Are black and white really colors?
1) What if you draw one black and one white ball ?

This is the case when the two balls are different colors.

2) Is there a separate bag ?

No.

3) Are black and white really colors?

Although it is not important, if it means so much to you, call them red, and green balls instead of black, and white. In any case, if you went to a paint store, and you asked for what colors they have available, I'm sure that black, and white would be mentioned. I would like to read a sentence that uses black, or white as an adjective, and said adjective does not imply the color of what it describes.

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Originally posted by rheymans
Although it is not important, if it means so much to you, call them red, and green balls instead of black, and white. In any case, if you went to a paint store, and you asked for what colors they have available, I'm sure that black, and white would be mentioned. I would like to read a sentence that uses black, or white as an adjective, and said adjective does not imply the color of what it describes.
Good point.

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Originally posted by eldragonfly
Good point.
Thank you.

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Originally posted by rheymans
Seems like a waste of a perfectly good "U". Don't you think? 😉
No.


American: flashlight

English: torch

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Originally posted by Bowmann
No.


American: flashlight

English: torch

Letters saved: 5
Ambiguity added. A torch to an American is a flame on a stick. The American term avoids ambiguity.