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  1. Standard member GalaxyShield
    Mr. Shield
    26 Sep '07 02:43
    Granted, this position looks complicated, but is it really a draw already?

    Game 3003283

    And why did he only lose 8 points out of the draw? I've drawn 1500's and lost more points than that, or are the point losses calculated differently when you're over 2400?
  2. 26 Sep '07 09:42 / 1 edit
    Your rating is determined by a formula (score - win expectancy) that is multiplied by a constant K. The value of K changes from 32 to 24 to 16 as you pass 2100 and 2400. Therefore players 2400+ cannot lose more than 16 points for a loss (looking at the formula you can see that it can never exceed |1|) or 8 points for a draw. As for why he decided to offer or accept a draw in this situation, I honestly have no idea what he was thinking making that decision against a player rated 900 points beneath him.
  3. Standard member c00ushion
    I'll take the Draw
    26 Sep '07 11:55 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Ramiri15
    Your rating is determined by a formula (score - win expectancy) that is multiplied by a constant K. The value of K changes from 32 to 24 to 16 as you pass 2100 and 2400. Therefore players 2400+ cannot lose more than 16 points for a loss (looking at the formula you can see that it can never exceed |1|) or 8 points for a draw. As for why he decided to offe ...[text shortened]... no idea what he was thinking making that decision against a player rated 900 points beneath him.
    I couldnt agree more Ramiri, I analyzed this game for over an hour trying o find a reason for a draw... I figure maybe he thought both would play a perfect game the whole way through and hes a great mindreader and futureteller. Its the only buyable reason I can see for this draw, but I wont get into it since the guy is 3rd and would make a human rug out of me. Honestly theres no reason he shouldve given a draw.. is there any possblility his mouse slipped and clicked Draw by Mistake? I know its unlikely but stranger things have happened.
  4. 26 Sep '07 12:24
    I dont think blacks position is all that great either, he has nasty doubled pawns, his king is more prone to attack and white has a bishop pair. I would be tempted to offer a draw to a lower rated player in a position like that just to be on the safe side.
  5. Subscriber no1marauder
    Humble and Kind
    26 Sep '07 12:57
    Oddly enough if you run the final position through Fritz's deep analysis for a few minutes, it rates it 0.00 after Rbe8.
  6. 26 Sep '07 14:39
    Maybe he thought he was playing against an engine...
  7. 26 Sep '07 16:29
    Originally posted by Emilios
    Maybe he thought he was playing against an engine...
    Thats what crossed my mind, but I didn't want to say it in case it was interpreted as an accusation (which it is not)
  8. Standard member Red Night
    RHP Prophet
    26 Sep '07 16:40 / 1 edit
    I would not read that much in to this game.

    A quick glance at sedevils games shows that this and a second against the same opponent Game 2851068 are the only non-tournament games seadevil has played in a while.

    I don't know why he agreed to play against a lower rated player. Maybe they are friends. Maybe salhye asked. If someone 900 points lower rated played me that close for the first 32 moves in the second half of a double header and then asked for a draw in a game that was essentially meaningless, I'd probably accept it too.
  9. 26 Sep '07 21:25
    Originally posted by c00ushion
    Its the only buyable reason I can see for this draw, but I wont get into it since the guy is 3rd and would make a human rug out of me. Honestly theres no reason he shouldve given a draw..
    Just because he's a good player, doesn't mean he's strong...
  10. 26 Sep '07 21:49
    Originally posted by GalaxyShield
    Granted, this position looks complicated, but is it really a draw already?

    Game 3003283

    And why did he only lose 8 points out of the draw? I've drawn 1500's and lost more points than that, or are the point losses calculated differently when you're over 2400?
    Vey fishy draw, considering the rating difference. Of course, I'm not casting any aspersions here.
  11. 26 Sep '07 22:03
    Originally posted by jenna1
    Just because he's a good player, doesn't mean he's strong...
    Huh?
  12. Standard member Lolette
    5. f3
    27 Sep '07 08:50
    The game was drawn because the oponent is his son

    - LoLLe
  13. Standard member Red Night
    RHP Prophet
    27 Sep '07 14:03
    Originally posted by Lolette
    The game was drawn because the oponent is his son

    - LoLLe
    Thanks for clearing that up Lolle.
  14. Subscriber no1marauder
    Humble and Kind
    27 Sep '07 14:24
    Originally posted by Lolette
    The game was drawn because the oponent is his son

    - LoLLe
    And you know this how?
  15. 27 Sep '07 14:31
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    And you know this how?
    And how is it an explanation anyway?