European Individual championships

Originally posted by DCpoc1985
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It's funny, in this argument we've both be be impacted and they are responsible for any negative results that come from this.[/b]

So as yet you cannot state why FIDE has not the right to impose a dress code which
advocates modesty other than, its open to interpretation and is a subjective matter.
Really, is not the case that in football the referee may render a subjective decision
based upon his experience and evaluation of certain defining evidences? Is it not so
that others may also see the very same event, with the very same criteria yet render
an entirely different and contrary opinion? Does the subjective aspect invalidate the
referees decision? nope, for it is final. FIDE therefore has the right as the governing
body to insist on certain criteria, one of which is that participants dress modestly,
irrespective of what constitutes modesty or otherwise, for surely that is the remit of the
arbitrators, who will use their discretion. Why this should be a matter of controversy I
cannot say nor why it should be viewed as inappropriate.

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This is a nonsense, why? simply because FIDE has the right to set its own standards
of conduct. You have as yet, nor has anyone else for that matter, given a single
valid reason as to why FIDE should not expect participants in its tournaments to
dress modestly. What we have had so far is, its a subjective matter, so what, so is a
penalty kick decision at a football match, it hardly invalidates the referees decision.
That it should be consistent with the legislation already in place governed by local
laws and customs, which is fine, if the tournament isn't held in the Kalahari desert,
otherwise we might be expected to dress as tribesmen, or in the red light district of
Amsterdam, where one might claim just about anything goes. No FIDE has done the
right thing. Asking players to be modest is not a law as such, but a principle and
allows leeway for all kinds of things within the scope of the parameters of that which
may be termed modest, its both simple and universal and like all good principles,
far reaching and flexible. You cannot complain. Attempts to make it personal shall
henceforth be ignored, its not about me.

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even to play chess while dressing to please herself rather than to placate a chess
official,

ahhh yes the real crux of the matter, forget what anyone else thinks, its all about me!
my personal freedoms, me! me! me! me! me! Let me ask you sincerely Duchess, the
modest people that you have met in your life, were they self effacing or bent on
attracting attention to themselves? Therein lies the difference me thinks!

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Nope, FIDE has its own code of conduct and so it should, conducive to the specifics of
tournament chess. FIDE believes it may be an issue and have simply introduced a
principle to take care of any occurrences, I see no controversy.

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Robbie, don't even respond to her anymore. This is what she starts doing every time somebody shows the extent of her ludicrousness.

Originally posted by tomtom232
Robbie, don't even respond to her anymore. This is what she starts doing every time somebody shows the extent of her ludicrousness.

I actually think that Duchess makes some excellent points, but she has a certain bias,
due to her gender, which may influence her ability to remain objective. I like her.

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There's no point arguing with him, he once admitted lying about racism directed at his own family so as to not be proven wrong in a debate down in the spirituality forum. Couple that with his complete inability to read what someone posts and thus follow the thread, you might as well talk to the wall.

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You have still failed to state why asking players to be modest is so vehemently wrong.
You have attempted to state that local customs should be the defining character, i have
attempted to demonstrate that a chess game has its own specifics and that the FIDE
legislation is simply an attempt to address any issues which may or may not arise. You
have not stated why modesty is not to be preferred, other than, it infringes personal
freedom to wear what one desires within local customs. How is FIDE infringing on
personal choice if it simply asks its participants to be modest?

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I never fall out with anyone, even proper knob, he's always falling out with me. I have
no reason to dislike or not remain on cordial terms with you Duchess, its not about us.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
There's no point arguing with him, he once admitted lying about racism directed at his own family so as to not be proven wrong in a debate down in the spirituality forum. Couple that with his complete inability to read what someone posts and thus follow the thread, you might as well talk to the wall.

love you man! its Realpolitik in spirituality, one must do what one can to survive down
there, they got some hungry wolves!