Originally posted by ben mossbergIt's not a bogus argument at all. It's just a logical extension of your sentiment.
A competitive spirit means many things, sportsmanship is part of it.
Once again I will point out that there is a specific line of text saying not to use the timeout unless the other player has REFUSED to move.
That implies that the makers of this system never intended it to be some sort of silly way to escape a certain loss.
You sound like the kind esorting to a cheap win by taking advantage of a component of the system is quite another.
According to you. If it is not necessary to lose, and you do not do that thing which will prevent you from losing then you are ipso facto a loser.
If you want to start setting limits on what that is or isn't, then I think you can see how it becomes a slippery slope.
From what you said I would expect you to cheat to win, or at the very least tell yourself that you were still being sportsmanlike and were within what you believe to be the rules while you did what you needed to do.
You realize of course that cheating only becomes and objective thing if you are caught.
There is the win, and there is how you got the win. If Gaskit feels good about his weak approach to victory then bully for him. But my spirit of competitiveness does not allow me to be underhanded. I would not timeout a person who had me at mate in 2 or even a person in a winning position. I would feel like a cheater and a loser.
It's not logical at all, because I clearly said many times that I would do what is needed to win *within the rules*.
You are making a totally baseless assumption to form an ad hominem attack. Which is really just lame.
Now you are trying to muddy the waters by referring to what one "believes to be the rules". There is no question as to what the rules are here-- if you run out of time, your opponent is allowed to claim a timeout.
You can invent your own set of rules about what is fair and not fair that only exist inside your own head, but you shouldn't expect others to have to follow them and then complain when they follow only the rules that are actually stated.
Also, I suggest you be careful about accusing me of cheating, which I believe is a bannable offense here.
Originally posted by incandenzaYou should really look up what an Ad Hominem attack is. Because you have clearly misunderstood it.
You are making a totally baseless assumption to form an ad hominem attack. Which is really just lame.
If I were saying that your argument is invalid because you are a cheater, then that would be an ad hominem attack.
As it stands I have done no such thing. If I were to call you a jerk or a lemonseller or a douche bag, none of those would be ad homien attacks either. They would just be name calling.
I look forward to your apology.
Originally posted by ben mossbergAn ad hominem attack "consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim".
If I were saying that your argument is invalid because you are a cheater, then that would be an ad hominem attack.
The fact that you say I "sound like" a cheater rather than "am" a cheater does not change the fact that you are attacking my character rather than the argument.
Originally posted by incandenzaCorrect.
An ad hominem attack "consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim".
The fact that you say I "sound like" a cheater rather than "am" a cheater does not change the fact that you are attacking my character rather than the argument.
So my stating that I would expect you to cheat based on what you said is not even close to an ad hominem attack.
It is a comment on you, not the credibility of your argument.
You should use words and terms correctly
Here is an explination of for Ad Hominem in a way you may be able to understand.
1 Person A makes claim X.
2 Person B makes an attack on person A.
3 Therefore A's claim is false.
Your little extract there does not get past part 2 of that.
But the entire purpose of your posts, one would assume, is to criticize my argument.
So apparently now you are saying that calling me a cheater is just something you happened to throw in that had nothing to do with the rest of your argument? How noble of you.
It is interesting that you are admitting that you're making a personal attack on me, though. I wonder how that aligns itself with your sense of nobility and fair play?
My strategy for victory is without mercy. Weakness will be hammered away. In my mind a system of play will develop before which my opponents will crumble. My game will be brutal, domineering, fearless, and cruel. My game must be that, and yet I too must bear pain. There must be nothing weak and gentle.
The fearsome beast of victory will rage across the board, and all will bleed.
That is how I will eradicate my opponents. That is how I shall play.
You wrote this and then come whining in this forum about a timeout; where is your self-respect.
Not to criticize so much as critically analyze.
As with your false accusation of me making an ad hominem attack, I believe that you made other errors in your argument.
I have never called you a cheater. I simply said I would expect you to cheat if you had an opportunity, even though you may not view it as cheating yourself. If you have ever played football then you are familiar with players diving in the 18 yard box. They would not consider themselves cheaters since they would say the ref should be paying better attention, I would consider them cheaters and be Extremely careful how I played against them. Cheating, or bending the rules is as you have said part of the game. If the opportunity for dodgy play does exist then it must be calculated in. However, that being said, I am still surprised when people do it.
I don't think you would have taken the win if you were at mate in 2 and were playing a 3 day match. See how naive I am?
Originally posted by pimpsandwichThis has already been talked about.
My strategy for victory is without mercy. Weakness will be hammered away. In my mind a system of play will develop before which my opponents will crumble. My game will be brutal, domineering, fearless, and cruel. My game must be that, and yet I too must bear pain. There must be nothing weak and gentle.
The fearsome beast of victory will rage across the ...[text shortened]...
You wrote this and then come whining in this forum about a timeout; where is your self-respect.
Sorry if I scared you, but it is cleary a joke. Next time, I will add more about rainbows.
Originally posted by ben mossbergYou are really having to resort to some twisted logic to try to keep your position consistent here.
Not to criticize so much as critically analyze.
In any case, it is unfortunate that you so quickly formed such a low opinion of me that you believe I will cheat in the future. Apparently you believe in treating your opponents with respect on the chessboard, but that does not apply to your personal interactions.
Originally posted by incandenzaThat is frighteningly astute. In my defense I am a very ugly person and I feel as though the world owes me for that.
You are really having to resort to some twisted logic to try to keep your position consistent here.
In any case, it is unfortunate that you so quickly formed such a low opinion of me that you believe I will cheat in the future. Apparently you believe in treating your opponents with respect on the chessboard, but that does not apply to your personal interactions.
incandenza I feel badly for implying you are or would ever cheat, (and by cheat I mean objective ugly cheating).
I don't mean that and I apologize for giving you that impression.
I was making a point, and as per forum discussions it lost it's original intent. Semantics are fascinating, though they have a tendency to redirect the content of a conversation.
Anyhow, what was this post about again?