What move and what game doesn't matter. The opponent didn't come up with it on his own without referencing previous games or publications. Like I said I understand it's part of CC, but when it's utilized you are not playing the person's ability to play, just the person's ability to research.
Originally posted by hamltnblueHoley Moley! No wonder i always lose!
What move and what game doesn't matter. The opponent didn't come up with it on his own without referencing previous games or publications. Like I said I understand it's part of CC, but when it's utilized you are not playing the person's ability to play, just the person's ability to research.
Originally posted by wormwoodSurely it follows then that a 1300 RHP player that uses no reference material is likely to beat a 1500 CC player that uses reference material if they meet OTB
actually, the vast majority of 1500+'s do. I think I have only one 1600+ opponent currently who doesn't. out of maybe 15-20 opponents.
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Originally posted by hamltnbluethat's how everything works. there is no person, no subject that is itself and only itself. everyone and everything is built up with "others", outsiders.
Actually I expect it and decided to subscribe because it's definitely a challenge and good source to improve. But when you play someone using references you aren't playing them. You are playing the master whose games they are referring to.
so when you play in otb and reply with ...c5 against 1.e4, white is not actually playing you. he too is playing against the masters of sicilian defense. have you come up with the c5 idea, not ever being heard of it or read about it? I doubt it. so, your opponent is playing against a theory, built decades before you made your first ...c5 move. so, principally speaking, there's no difference in otb and cc in being a "collection of ideas" that you didn't come up with, only in cc you have the chance to go deeper into theory, and be more accurate in your "memory".
with your argument, I can play the main line of ruy lopez 16 plies deep in otb and my opponent has the right to claim I'm cheating. and I too can claim him, since he also has played the 16 plies in the main line. again in your argument, yes, me and my opponent are both cheating. but we aren't, are we?
Originally posted by Mctaytoit's more likely the one working on openings on daily basis, meaning the database user, will play the openings better OTB as well.
Surely it follows then that a 1300 RHP player that uses no reference material is likely to beat a 1500 CC player that uses reference material if they meet OTB
Originally posted by wormwoodHe's right, most people do use a database...and I am glad when people do. For the most part it can help them get a good position but it is also is a weakness because most people use a db without knowing the ideas that come after it or if the lines they play are actually any good, just that it scores well at gm level.
it's more likely the one working on openings on daily basis, meaning the database user, will play the openings better OTB as well.
Originally posted by wormwoodI think it's all genetics....the brain must be wired in a certain way to be able to become a real expert. Everyone i know says I'm Wired, but they don't mean it in a good way. So, where do you get these Data Bases and how do you use them?
I'm just a beginner, in exactly a month it'll be two years since I learned how the pieces move. but I take chess seriously, that's just the way I was built, and I know both rahim and cms take their chess very seriously as well. and I guarantee both of them have analysed every move on the current game to death, as well as dived deep into the dragon theory.
Originally posted by smw6869http://www.playtheimmortalgame.com/gamesexplorer
I think it's all genetics....the brain must be wired in a certain way to be able to become a real expert. Everyone i know says I'm Wired, but they don't mean it in a good way. So, where do you get these Data Bases and how do you use them?
You can see a database of moves from games played here
Originally posted by cmsMasterWell I wasn't specifically talking about you and your games....
I haven't moved in any games in a while, I have my reasons for doing so, and *not moving* is not abuse of anything.
I just wonder how people can be on vacation in one game and not in another at the same time. 🙄
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Originally posted by smw6869well I think chess is a technical skill that requires decades and countless hours of training to get really good at. 1% talent, 99% perspiration, or something very close to that. obsessive mind is something genetics can 'help' you with, but that's about it. the rest is up to you.
I think it's all genetics....the brain must be wired in a certain way to be able to become a real expert. Everyone i know says I'm Wired, but they don't mean it in a good way. So, where do you get these Data Bases and how do you use them?
chessgames has a decent database to begin with, but no real db-functionality.
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/explorer
also fritz has rudimentary db functions. then there's chessbase, which is The database program. there are all kinds of databases around, with varying quality. it takes a lot of time and effort to learn to use them efficiently, although checking out moves blindly is very easy.
oh, and tablebases are not allowed here, only databases. (a tablebase is a computer generated exhaustive database of moves, making it essentially just cached engine use. so that's why.)