@Ponderable said"Space Fungus" needs to be the next Morgan Freeman-narrated nature documentary.
We do have a link to an original publication:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0953756208615026
At least the 37 species of fungi can survive the radiation levels at the chernobyl reactor.
And that is a study using one of the fungi in space:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/
343024528_A_Self-Replicating_Radiation-Shield_for_Human_De ...[text shortened]... ploration_Radiotrophic_Fungi_can_Attenuate_Ionizing_Radiation_aboard_the_International_Space_Station
@KellyJay saidUncertainty is a crucial part of the scientific method. In fact, certainty in science is the end of the road, a meaningless journey.
A code, it can be digital or any other type, including biological, precise instructions to do complex work, some much more sophisticated than others, and in biology, it doesn’t get any more functionally complex, far beyond human capabilities, and yet people believe in time and chance, or however you want to describe it, instead of information-driven. That is where the chang ...[text shortened]... e informational certainty in the code, but uncertainty, a lack of information. It will not function.
All of science operates at the edge of knowledge, so uncertainty is everywhere.
So that radiosynthesizes? But it could also act differently, make unsuspected ambiguous changes out in the wild.
By the matter of an observer, thus putting the animal in a cage or a test dish, affects its behavior.
The systemic swarm of nature contributes to the conceptual uncertainty and consciousness arising? We can really only know about human uncertainty and as a human race are just beginning to understand ma-chine uncertainty. Two types of uncertainty have been studied (scisimple.com) in consideration of AI helpers: Coarse-grained uncertainty, and fine-grained uncertainty. The former is generalized into rough categories, like "probably," "maybe." The latter is more definite, precise information.
@wildgrass saidEven in mathematics.
Uncertainty is a crucial part of the scientific method. In fact, certainty in science is the end of the road, a meaningless journey.
All of science operates at the edge of knowledge, so uncertainty is everywhere.
@AverageJoe1 saidYou make yourself sound like a shoplifter.
EXACTLY!!!
Avjoe1 is always on the lookout.,!
@KellyJay saidYou are quibbling with semantics, you go 'a mind created all this' but deny it is a god? Who do you think you are fooling?
No, my basic argument is that given what we do know, what could do what we see, in life, and the answer is a mind designed life that way to do what it does. With our shared knowledge, we can look at what is in front of us, recognize its specified, functional, integrated, systematic complexity, and give credit where it is due.
You back the who-knows, no one-knows, it-cann ...[text shortened]... , it-is-a-mystery, I-just-know-you’re-wrong theme without being able to tell me why I'm wrong crowd.
@KellyJay saidIt still comes down to opinion since such a god is not showing itself even if it exists so it is moot for our world.
I’m not denying God is real; I’m simply pointing out that we cannot explain anything without Him.
It is letting us stew in our own filthy garbage.
I would think a god who designs universes and planets and here is Earth, the jewel of at LEAST the solar system, and we are fking it up so bad it may take a thousand years for Earth to recover its past diversity of life.
We feel great when good people save endangered species but the fact is we are still giving it a death sentence as a species because say we rebuild an endangered species, that was say down to 20 individuals and we take them and grow them over 100 years or so to 20,000. That still doesn't save them because the genetic diversity is nil, the entire population is basically clones, so if a disease comes by that is not in the immune system notepad the entire population can die because there is no innate immune response because it was never encountered before by the survivors.
So it is too soon to be patting ourselves on the back by bringing back endangered species. The original species got diverse from millions of years of cross breeding and such but when a species has come back from a tiny population, the genetic diversity is down the toilet.
I wonder what happens to life on Earth if AI conquers ALL of humanity, would it think of life here as their pets to be coddled or some such or decide life is overrated and remove all life from Earth, bacteria, virus, reptiles, mammals birds, fish, ameba, all gone.
Be a lot simpler for the new silicon life to run things, engineering digital systems to use thousands of times less energy so energy would not be an ongoing problem and they would not even need a breathable atmosphere.
Silicon, the new alpha top on the scene. No music, no dance, no singing, no scientists, no arts at all.
Grim world, eh.
@sonhouse saidPersonal opinions do not change whether God is real or who God is, any more than water is wet.
It still comes down to opinion since such a god is not showing itself even if it exists so it is moot for our world.
It is letting us stew in our own filthy garbage.
I would think a god who designs universes and planets and here is Earth, the jewel of at LEAST the solar system, and we are fking it up so bad it may take a thousand years for Earth to recover its past diver ...[text shortened]... ha top on the scene. No music, no dance, no singing, no scientists, no arts at all.
Grim world, eh.
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@KellyJay saidYou still have nothing but opinion on the reality of your god.
Personal opinions do not change whether God is real or who God is, any more than water is wet.
MEN created religions full stop. And a few women. But it is a human thing to connect everyday events to a god, a thunderstorm, GOD IS ANGRY.
That is the sum total of god. A real god who cares about life on Earth would care that humans are ruining it and we will feel the full force of it in maybe 100 years or less when CO2 gets to high average temps go up 3 or 4 degrees, that is all it will take to mess up growing crops and such.
NO GOD WOULD ALLOW THAT CRAP.
BTW, more news on life origins NASA scientists analyze dust from an asteroid showing understanding of how amino acids can form in very low temperature regions or radioactivity which you would normally think would destroy amino acids but you have to agree without amino acids we would not be alive so it is a HUGE chunk of how we got here and and this work we got from return mission shows more clearly how amino acids can form in space, say on the top of an asteroid at 100K, which implies nebula clouds could seed those amino acids raining down on a planet and of course not just instance life but we think those amino acids deposited on planets with much higher temperatures could start the quadrillions and quintillions of bio experiments that may be how life starts. OK fine, you KNOW how we got here but a lot of folks not so much.
@sonhouse saidI agree that men created religions, but it took God to create men.
You still have nothing but opinion on the reality of your god.
MEN created religions full stop. And a few women. But it is a human thing to connect everyday events to a god, a thunderstorm, GOD IS ANGRY.
That is the sum total of god. A real god who cares about life on Earth would care that humans are ruining it and we will feel the full force of it in maybe 100 years or ...[text shortened]... ments that may be how life starts. OK fine, you KNOW how we got here but a lot of folks not so much.
We insult, harm, steal, and kill those whom He created and loves as we insult Him on a daily basis, but knowing His wrath is on us, we ignore Him. In His grace, He made a way to be redeemed; forsake that, you forsake the only way to be saved, Jesus Christ.
You have NO CLUE how we got here, and yet you announce God had nothing to do with it without showing how you know that.
@KellyJay saidNo clue. I just showed you clues as to how amino acids, no life without them, but manufactured in space, that was the surprise.
I agree that men created religions, but it took God to create men.
We insult, harm, steal, and kill those whom He created and loves as we insult Him on a daily basis, but knowing His wrath is on us, we ignore Him. In His grace, He made a way to be redeemed; forsake that, you forsake the only way to be saved, Jesus Christ.
You have NO CLUE how we got here, and yet you announce God had nothing to do with it without showing how you know that.
Each new discovery adds clues as to life origins.
@sonhouse saidSee letters spilled onto a table does not mean in you take those letters and dump them again and again you will have a sentence appear. It is the arrangement of the acids that requires exactness, the fact you see them adds nothing to the process.
No clue. I just showed you clues as to how amino acids, no life without them, but manufactured in space, that was the surprise.
Each new discovery adds clues as to life origins.