02 Aug 11
Originally posted by EladarNo one who knows an iota about evolution thinks that it explains the origin of life.
I am not the one who says that evolution has to do with the origins of life. It is many of the evolutionists I've run into that believe it is. If you don't, then it doesn't apply to you.
02 Aug 11
Originally posted by EladarNo, I feel I speak for all reasonable evolutionists.
Metal,
Do you feel that you have the authority to speak for all evolutionists?
Do you feel you know the origin of life? If you have a time machine I would like to buy one from you. Not that I really think time travel is possible.
02 Aug 11
Originally posted by EladarHe's doing a fairly good job.
Metal,
Do you feel that you have the authority to speak for all evolutionists?
In the next few decades we may find life on Europa or Enceladus, which would be quite a marvel. In the meantime we have the Urey-Miller experiments and similar endeavors which seem to indicate that the basic ingredients of life assemble themselves quite readily under a wide range of conditions. Hell, there are very likely amino acids just floating in the vacuum of space.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080326161658.htm
03 Aug 11
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Originally posted by longkenI will answer the question by giving you a list of different points of information which will lead you to your answer, but it will also leave you with some home work to follow up with....... OK
Is there valid proof for evolution? What about Creationism? *Is wondering what will come up here concerning these questions*
-Long-
1. If you go to Christianity or Islam or Judaism for your information about creationism you will be given doctrine which has been fabricated and speculated upon from the minds of unqualified men, (so don't go there) but creation is a fact and it is nothing like what you have been presented with already by false religion.
2. God didn't create everything in six days and the universe is not 6500 years old, and God did not talk to Moses with regards to those mundane conversations depicted in the Bible, and Adam and Eve were fictitious characters and there was no serpent and so on and so on.
3. Creation is described in the Vedic teachings in the 18 volume set called (Srimad Bhagavatam by Ac Bhaktivedanta Swami Prubhupada)
Evolution is telling us that conscious life crawled out from a muddy puddle from which there was no conscious life before the lightning bolt struck ( a bit like the Frankenstein story)
Then this little one cell conscious life became elephants, tigers, rabbits, dogs, cats, horses, birds and finally man.
Where did the muddy puddle come from?\
Where did the one cell thingo come from?
Where did the planet come from?
Where did the lightning bolt come from?
Where did the air come from?
Where did the food come from to feed this life?
Where did the reproductive process come from to continue this life?
Where did the female partner come from to make reproduction possible?
Where did the sun come from to sustain life?
Where did the fresh water come from to sustain life.
Where did gravity come from to keep everything pinned to the ground?
Your answer is given but you must choose what to do next.
Studying Srimad Bhagavatam is a good beginning.
03 Aug 11
Originally posted by SoothfastThis is called the BIG BLUFF perpetrated by cheating science.
He's doing a fairly good job.
In the next few decades we may find life on Europa or Enceladus, which would be quite a marvel. In the meantime we have the Urey-Miller experiments and similar endeavors which seem to indicate that the basic ingredients of life assemble themselves quite readily under a wide range of conditions. Hell, there are very likely ...[text shortened]... Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080326161658.htm
03 Aug 11
Originally posted by DasaLol. Trolling not getting enough bites in Spirituality eh?
I will answer the question by giving you a list of different points of information which will lead you to your answer, but it will also leave you with some home work to follow up with....... OK
1. If you go to Christianity or Islam or Judaism for your information about creationism you will be given doctrine which has been fabricated and speculated upon from ...[text shortened]... given but you must choose what to do next.
Studying Srimad Bhagavatam is a good beginning.
03 Aug 11
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Originally posted by avalanchethecatHave you no shame to support false science.
Lol. Trolling not getting enough bites in Spirituality eh?
Are you a science teacher of the sought,s and get paid for teaching science.
How can you continue to support falsity.
Shameful because you know its is false because no one can actually truly believe that it is true.......its not possible.
It is only possible to accept evolution if you have just accepted everything blindly that has been presented on evolution and you didn't apply any deliberation or critical thought to accepting or not accepting it.
Accepting evolution for some one could be possible because of the following scenario............
Some person has looked at false religion and were not convinced (don't blame them) and so they did not want to admit that they had no clue and just latched onto false science because they had nowhere to go for a answer. (is that it?) because you would have the entire scientific community behind you and you would not have to stand alone to take the criticism.
Actually the entire scientific community is not behind evolution and many prominent science persons are rejecting evolution.
Will you be waiting for the rejection rate to reach critical point before changing your views?
Most think that rejecting evolution means that they have to accept Christianity or Islam, but this does not have to be done and it would be going from bad to worse anyhow............but it would mean that these science persons would have to say they have no clue and this is impossible for many.
This is the main problem with science people that they find it impossible to say they don't know so they present falsity and just hope people accept (but they don't)
03 Aug 11
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Originally posted by DasaWhere did the muddy puddle come from?
Gravity pulled together matter that was dispersed in dust clouds.
Where did the one cell thingo come from?
Grease dripped in water forms micelles and nucleic acids form spontaneously.
Where did the planet come from?
Gravity pulled together matter that was dispersed in dust clouds.
Where did the lightning bolt come from?
Atoms and molecules brushing against one another and pulling electrons off one another.
Where did the air come from?
Oxygen came from life. Otherwise, gravity pulled together matter that was dispersed in dust clouds.
Where did the food come from to feed this life?
Photosynthetic algae. Before that, energy came directly from polymerization of nucleic acids.
Where did the reproductive process come from to continue this life?
Nucleic acids and micelles, preferential permeability for small particles, and polymerization of the nucleic acids, etc - it's all spontaneous.
Where did the female partner come from to make reproduction possible?
Neither females nor males existed at first. Organisms were asexual.
Where did the sun come from to sustain life?
Gravity pulled together matter that was dispersed in dust clouds.
Where did the fresh water come from to sustain life.
Gravity pulled together matter that was dispersed in dust clouds.
Where did gravity come from to keep everything pinned to the ground?
What makes you think there was a time before gravity? It didn't "come from" anywhere. It's always been.
04 Aug 11
Originally posted by DasaIt is easier to just ask where matter came from. It is kind of amazing that anything exists at all.
I will answer the question by giving you a list of different points of information which will lead you to your answer, but it will also leave you with some home work to follow up with....... OK
1. If you go to Christianity or Islam or Judaism for your information about creationism you will be given doctrine which has been fabricated and speculated upon from ...[text shortened]... given but you must choose what to do next.
Studying Srimad Bhagavatam is a good beginning.
The problem with explaining it with god is that god is even more complex. In a way it is a regression to explain anything with a god because you are still left with an existence that is even harder to explain.
Keep it simple and explain what we know exists. Don't complicate things by bringing an omnipotent being into it. How would you feel if I claimed Q from star trek created life? Now you know how we feel!
04 Aug 11
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Originally posted by Metal BrainThere must be first cause and to suggest that everything came from nothing is unacceptable and a dead end.
It is easier to just ask where matter came from. It is kind of amazing that anything exists at all.
The problem with explaining it with god is that god is even more complex. In a way it is a regression to explain anything with a god because you are still left with an existence that is even harder to explain.
Keep it simple and explain what we know to it. How would you feel if I claimed Q from star trek created life? Now you know how we feel!
Because we are life then first cause must have the life principle within its nature.
Because we have desire and attributes first cause must have attributes and desire.
Because we are creative then first cause must be creative.
Everywhere we look we see cause behind the thing we look at.
If the thing we look at is complex we always see an intelligent cause behind it.
When thinking about first cause we cannot say that first cause must also have a cause because first cause is causeless.
Causeless phenomena is much the same as infinite phenomena because the finite mind cannot conceive of the infinite but we know that infinite must exist because the concept of an end without continuance is illogical and begs to be understood.....so infinity exists.
So we know first cause is causeless but our finite mind cannot conceive of it and so the problem is us and our finite mind and not the causeless nature of God.
The main problem persons have with God (first cause) is that false religion (Christianity Islam and Judaism) have destroyed science persons of ever taking God serious, but true religion present true knowledge of God and this satisfies the critic unless the critic is dishonest.
The Vedas ( true religion) explains first cause in detail but on-line Vedic information is a mind field of unauthorized false interpretations of the Veda and a sincere person must know where to look.
04 Aug 11
Originally posted by DasaEverything includes god. That means your belief is unacceptable as well and a dead end.
There must be first cause and to suggest that everything came from nothing is unacceptable and a dead end.
Because we are life then first cause must have the life principle within its nature.
Because we have desire and attributes first cause must have attributes and desire.
Because we are creative then first cause must be creative.
Everywhere we loo ...[text shortened]... of unauthorized false interpretations of the Veda and a sincere person must know where to look.
Your ability to make exceptions to your own logic is interesting but could be defined as a mental illness. You have no proof of the existence of god. Our existence is not proof of god unless you alter your own perception of "everything" when it suits you. There are lots of things this could be described as.
Double standard
contradiction
mental illness
selective lapse of logic
preferable ignorance
Take your pick, but if there is one thing for sure it is that if I used the same logic to explain the origin of life you would not like it.
For example, your mind can't imagine an infinite universe and that is exactly why you think the origin of life is against the odds. You think the odds of life forming from random events are too small to happen, but that is the thinking of a person that can't imagine an infinite universe. If you could imagine an infinite universe you would realize the odds are 100%.
What are the odds of me winning the lotto? Far too slim to waste my money, right? But what if I owned all of the lotto tickets? That is what it is like in a universe with an infinite number of amino acid molecules. Anything can happen.
Do you see it now? Infinite = 100% probability = 100% chance of life.
Nothing is unlikely in an infinite universe.
Stop thinking finite!
That is a deeply flawed way of thinking.
04 Aug 11
Originally posted by Metal BrainSo your back to everything came from nothing.
Everything includes god. That means your belief is unacceptable as well and a dead end.
Your ability to make exceptions to your own logic is interesting but could be defined as a mental illness. You have no proof of the existence of god. Our existence is not proof of god unless you alter your own perception of "everything" when it suits you. There are ...[text shortened]... n an infinite universe.
Stop thinking finite!
That is a deeply flawed way of thinking.
This stand is the position of person who has no clue.
04 Aug 11
Originally posted by DasaLOL!
So your back to everything came from nothing.
This stand is the position of person who has no clue.
Your position is exactly the same!
Do you honestly believe that everything does not include god? Do you really think that a specific existence is separate from "everything"?
Only the mentally ill would believe such nonsense!
Look up "everything" in the dictionary. Perhaps you have a different definition of the word nobody else has seen. It is very important to know the meaning of a word when you use it.
04 Aug 11
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Originally posted by DasaWhy would you think that anyone would find anything of value in your ill-informed ranting? You evidently have next to no knowledge of the things you dismiss. I think you might even fail a Turing Test.
Have you no shame to support false science.
Are you a science teacher of the sought,s and get paid for teaching science.
How can you continue to support falsity.
Shameful because you know its is false because no one can actually truly believe that it is true.......its not possible.
It is only possible to accept evolution if you have just accepted ev to say they don't know so they present falsity and just hope people accept (but they don't)