@sonhouse saidAs I said you can not discuss logical concerns you have to change the subject. And you leave the questions and concerns untouched and unanswered.
Oh, you mean "sadly he won't just lay down and profess his love of his only GOD"
In my time I use the idea of "believe but verify"
@KellyJay saidSo I should be able to tell you how live originated. Sure, after I get done fixing this MRC 603A which strangely enough are paying me.
As I said you can not discuss logical concerns you have to change the subject. And you leave the questions and concerns untouched and unanswered.
@sonhouse saidNo working theory or viable hypothesis explains life’s origin. Just explain your hypothesis: how is a biological machine able to take energy, constrain it, and then distribute it to do specific work in life’s origin? You know, how, even though all that requires “low entropy” and “high energy” at the same time, coming together without flying apart and degrading. Perhaps you can explain away the informational origin in an unguided process?
So I should be able to tell you how live originated. Sure, after I get done fixing this MRC 603A which strangely enough are paying me.
Maybe talk about how all living cells have information processing taking place in them; for replication and other jobs, how did that come about? Please, using only material explanations, can you explain how all of that could have arisen without invoking a “Trump or religion? Keep it scientific; avoid using design terminology while explaining away what, in your opinion, is not designed. It would be a nice change if you could do it without insults, too.
@KellyJay saidAnd of course you set out a goal no human on Earth can answer at this time, that is why I study the latest results like the RNA piece I showed you.
No working theory or viable hypothesis explains life’s origin. Just explain your hypothesis: how is a biological machine able to take energy, constrain it, and then distribute it to do specific work in life’s origin? You know, how, even though all that requires “low entropy” and “high energy” at the same time, coming together without flying apart and degrading. Perhaps yo ...[text shortened]... n your opinion, is not designed. It would be a nice change if you could do it without insults, too.
@sonhouse saidAnd RNA is a specified piece of code as well; you are clueless when it comes to origin, and you claim I’m the one dreaming up pipe dreams and scenarios avoiding science. You’re better off sticking to insulting me with Trump and my religious beliefs than trying to come up with some science to present, because there is none when it comes to origins; it's just imaginary evolution based on blind faith.
And of course you set out a goal no human on Earth can answer at this time, that is why I study the latest results like the RNA piece I showed you.
@KellyJay saidFunny using my ignorance of exact life origins, so I am SO stupid, so are all 8.4 billion other humans on the planet. Nobody ever said life origin science would be easy. it is in fact more complex than when we went to the moon..
And RNA is a specified piece of code as well; you are clueless when it comes to origin, and you claim I’m the one dreaming up pipe dreams and scenarios avoiding science. You’re better off sticking to insulting me with Trump and my religious beliefs than trying to come up with some science to present, because there is none when it comes to origins; it's just imaginary evolution based on blind faith.
@sonhouse saidI’m not asking you to explain exactly how it happened; just come up with something that addresses the issues and can be done without a plan or purpose.
Funny using my ignorance of exact life origins, so I am SO stupid, so are all 8.4 billion other humans on the planet. Nobody ever said life origin science would be easy. it is in fact more complex than when we went to the moon..
You are quite fond of belittling me. I’m not trying to insult you; give me something that lets me know you think it can be done outside of the blind faith statement that does not even apply to origins, which is evolution. You cannot say evolution did it because evolution requires all those details to already be in place.
@KellyJay saidIn other words if it was proven scientifically the exact origins of life you would go along with it?
I’m not asking you to explain exactly how it happened; just come up with something that addresses the issues and can be done without a plan or purpose.
You are quite fond of belittling me. I’m not trying to insult you; give me something that lets me know you think it can be done outside of the blind faith statement that does not even apply to origins, which is evolution. ...[text shortened]... You cannot say evolution did it because evolution requires all those details to already be in place.
you don't think there is any validity in life origin science, that is clear. The fact it might take a thousand years to figure it out doesn't kill the argument.
Can you ever admit that?
@sonhouse saidYou do not even have a theory, nothing to go on whatsoever, outside of knowing that these things can be done by design. You are willing to wait forever in the hopes that someone might come up with a possible way it could occur, and that done without even evolutionary blind processes being able to do the work.
In other words if it was proven scientifically the exact origins of life you would go along with it?
you don't think there is any validity in life origin science, that is clear. The fact it might take a thousand years to figure it out doesn't kill the argument.
Can you ever admit that?
@KellyJay saidSo you are not insulting now? I am expert on ion implanters, sputtering tools, electron microscopes, RF etchers, semiconductor clean room machines so why should I even venture a guess as to where life origins science may be in a couple hundred years if science is allowed to proceed that long.
You do not even have a theory, nothing to go on whatsoever, outside of knowing that these things can be done by design. You are willing to wait forever in the hopes that someone might come up with a possible way it could occur, and that done without even evolutionary blind processes being able to do the work.
@sonhouse saidWhy bother responding to me when I bring up topics on origins, if as you say, you got nothing. All you do is bring up Trump or religion and then just to insult me, if you can not speak to the topic why join in just to express your rage about something that is not being talked about!
So you are not insulting now? I am expert on ion implanters, sputtering tools, electron microscopes, RF etchers, semiconductor clean room machines so why should I even venture a guess as to where life origins science may be in a couple hundred years if science is allowed to proceed that long.
@KellyJay saidI posted the latest research on RNA and you dismissed it just like you will dismiss anything else I present in the way of new discoveries in live origins.
Why bother responding to me when I bring up topics on origins, if as you say, you got nothing. All you do is bring up Trump or religion and then just to insult me, if you can not speak to the topic why join in just to express your rage about something that is not being talked about!
@sonhouse saidI can speak to what I post, but when I raise concerns about what you post, nada.
I posted the latest research on RNA and you dismissed it just like you will dismiss anything else I present in the way of new discoveries in live origins.
@KellyJay saidIt doesn't matter, if it tries to show live originated with mud and lightning and water or some such combination, you WILL poo poo it. That is your MO. You have a permanent block about life origins because you 'KNOW" how it got here so ANY origin science will be false in your world.
I can speak to what I post, but when I raise concerns about what you post, nada.
@sonhouse saidAs long as you avoid being specific, there is nothing to poo-poo; you have to have something to argue for or against before you can agree or disagree.
It doesn't matter, if it tries to show live originated with mud and lightning and water or some such combination, you WILL poo poo it. That is your MO. You have a permanent block about life origins because you 'KNOW" how it got here so ANY origin science will be false in your world.