Originally posted by CrowleyReced.
Yes, people really need to be able to reply to Forum Mod messages.
Btw, I really hope the roads are icy where you are 😉 and you forget to tie your shoe and slip and fall in the middle of the road 😉 and get hit by a bus making you horribly disfigured for the rest of your life. 😉
The post that was quoted here has been removedDeleted posts are one thing - they don't really need a right of appeal any more than a parking fine does - but when it comes to being banned from posting in ALL forums, public and private, users should have the right of appeal to a second moderator at least. Since club and clan leaders are the moderators of their groups, it isn't appropriate that public forum bans should affect private forums as well.
Originally posted by MissOleumIt is appropriate. Banning is a punishment and banning the miscreant from ALL posting has deterrent value.
Deleted posts are one thing - they don't really need a right of appeal any more than a parking fine does - but when it comes to being banned from posting in ALL forums, public and private, users should have the right of appeal to a second moderator at least. Since club and clan leaders are the moderators of their groups, it isn't appropriate that public forum bans should affect private forums as well.
Originally posted by no1marauderCorrect.
It is appropriate. Banning is a punishment and banning the miscreant from ALL posting has deterrent value.
Seems MissO may be aiming for a forum where a person can create havoc in public and then retreat to his private club until his buddies on the arbitration committee gets him off.
Originally posted by MissOleumI believe that we simply need to self moderate a little better.
2. Should users have a non-public "right of appeal" against moderator actions which they deem unjust?
There is an evil scourge of spamming, personal attacking and thread hijacking after infecting the site; General especially.
I think the current malaise is highlighted perfectly by the following thread, which doesn't even get past post 2 before being hijacked by an abusive spammer.
Only 2 replies refer to the original topic, 1 of them serious. The rest are either personally abusive, or totally off topic.
Thread 107492
It seems as though you have to be prepared to be abused and pscyhoanalysed if you want to post in the hope that at least 1 person will post on topic.
And it seems that you want the site admin to invest more time and energy to appease the abusers and the spammers, instead of spending time on actually improving the features of the site?
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Originally posted by CrowleyAnything that reduces the power you already have you are against 100%. No matter how others feel on the subject, or how obtainable it is, you just don't want to see it.
I'm not privy to Russ' balance sheet, but I'm sure he can't justify paying a salary for a job that is done perfectly fine by a bunch of volunteers.
Bottom line.
There's a fact for you.
Wouldn't you say that is more what you really wanted to say but knew you shouldn't.
Originally posted by RagnorakThe person who started that thread was spamming himself.
Only 2 replies refer to the original topic, 1 of them serious. The rest are either personally abusive, or totally off topic.
Thread 107492
Originally posted by cashthetrashhttp://failblog.org/2009/01/29/camera-fail/
Anything that reduces the power you already have you are against 100%. No matter how others feel on the subject, or how obtainable it is, you just don't want to see it.
Wouldn't you say that is more what you really wanted to say but knew you shouldn't.
Try again later, cash, when you have something original to add to the discussion.
I still can't believe there are people here who would think any of the volunteers give their valuable time because of some power-trip.
It's ridiculous.
Originally posted by no1marauderThis concept bothers me a little. *Banning is a punishment*. This is a commercial site, not a prison with trusty privileges as a reward for good behaviour.
It is appropriate. Banning is a punishment and banning the miscreant from ALL posting has deterrent value.
Originally posted by Raven69That's a subjective call.
The person who started that thread was spamming himself.
I don't read General much anymore since the ultra abusive Forum Bullies against Forum Bullying took over, but as far as I can tell, Arrak has 6 threads on the first 2 pages of general. Hardly spamming, and hardly worthy of the personal abuse doled out to him.
But then, any action can be justified in our own minds fairly easily, eh?
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Originally posted by MissOleumDo you really want free reign to abuse people to whatever lengths you can think of, you want to hijack threads with no consequences?
This concept bothers me a little. *Banning is a punishment*. This is a commercial site, not a prison with trusty privileges as a reward for good behaviour.
You're right, this is a commercial site. And when people start behaving in such a way as to damage the site and it's membership (abusive, spamming trolling and hijacking threads all being detrimental to the thread, and behaviour that you partake in), then they need to be brought into line.
If you're caught stealing DVDs in a department store, do you get thrown out of just the DVD section, or the whole shop? I'd be interested in hearing your pathetic little plea's of "But I was just stealing DVDs, let me hang out in the computer games section. I've done nothing there".
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Originally posted by CrowleyI can't understand why you or any other mod would enter this thread. It was from the beginning and has always meant to be a civilized thread discussing ideas on different modes of moderation. Since you're already a moderatory in an already established but seemingly flawed system you should be able to be a little more objective and just let the people speak among themselves.
http://failblog.org/2009/01/29/camera-fail/
Try again later, cash, when you have something original to add to the discussion.
I still can't believe there are people here who would think any of the volunteers give their valuable time because of some power-trip.
It's ridiculous.
As a moderator I feel you should do two things crowley:
1) Stay out of the thread
2) If you can't stay out, keep your crass comments to yourself. I don't see where you've added any value to this thread yourself. Being a moderator, you should be mature enough to avoid that kind of behavior.