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09 Mar 17
Originally posted by RussWhat changed in the calculation of the net and gross points ?
A clan rating "preview" has just been released.
The clan tables have a new addition, a "rating" column, on the far right (for now). You can sort on this column, but this will become the default sort order when viewing the clan directory.
The clan ratings are not reset each year, but roll over into the following year. Final annual standings are still ava ...[text shortened]... ot calculated live for now, so any new wins/loses will not be reflected in the graphs or rating.
Even if they will no longer be the primary metric, I am still just wondering.
Originally posted by mghrn55I agree it appears to me to be simply the same system and that instead of having net and gross points these are simply transformed into a rating.
What changed in the calculation of the net and gross points ?
Even if they will no longer be the primary metric, I am still just wondering.
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a clan rating based on ELO looks a bit strange at first, but let's keep an open mind
this is the first part of an effort from RHP to address several problems
we need to play with the change in place for a while and give good feedback
when we see how it works in practice, we can ask for additional refinements
Russ, can you please add a sort by 'rating' option to the clan directory drop down?
thanks
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Originally posted by RussIt does not appear to address collusion.
A clan rating "preview" has just been released.
The clan tables have a new addition, a "rating" column, on the far right (for now). You can sort on this column, but this will become the default sort order when viewing the clan directory.
The clan ratings are not reset each year, but roll over into the following year. Final annual standings are still ava ...[text shortened]... ot calculated live for now, so any new wins/loses will not be reflected in the graphs or rating.
This was the primary issue that prompted you to make the changes.
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collusion is indeed the prime consideration, granted, and well put sir
ELO may be a step in the right direction, so we're trying it (thanks Russ)
as has been suggested, additional metrics may need to be applied to make it playable
good ideas will come as a result of this experiment
my clan is at full strength, so this suggestion might not help me, but it might be of advantage to smaller clans
perhaps a player could be permitted more than one pairing in a challenge if the ratings work out and if it is acceptable to both clan leaders
this would give a clan of few or one, a chance to create a larger challenge than is possible under the existing system
i find the idea intriguing (especially for folks like lemondrop)
food for thought, comments welcome
Originally posted by GiannottiPlease tell me there are going to be more changes to address the collusion of certain clans as illustrated last year (and again this year).
collusion is indeed the prime consideration, granted, and well put sir
ELO may be a step in the right direction, so we're trying it (thanks Russ)
as has been suggested, additional metrics may need to be applied to make it playable
good ideas will come as a result of this experiment
my clan is at full strength, so this suggestion might not hel ...[text shortened]... the idea intriguing (especially for folks like lemondrop)
food for thought, comments welcome
If this is not addressed then I and quite a few others would feel cheated out of our subscription fee we paid to receive a certain service that was not supplied.
Can you please comment on whether the collusion of last year will be addressed so that those of us who pay our subscription to purely play in a fairly run clan competition can decide on our future actions.
Putting a band aid on the problem ain't going to fix it.
Originally posted by RussRuss,
A clan rating "preview" has just been released.
The clan tables have a new addition, a "rating" column, on the far right (for now). You can sort on this column, but this will become the default sort order when viewing the clan directory.
The clan ratings are not reset each year, but roll over into the following year. Final annual standings are still ava ...[text shortened]... ot calculated live for now, so any new wins/loses will not be reflected in the graphs or rating.
I see absolutely nothing in your "preview" that addresses the current collusion issue.
If no additional changes are forthcoming, I will not be renewing my subscription and I assure you many many others will be doing the same.
respectively, My2sons
Originally posted by RussLovely colours
A clan rating "preview" has just been released.
The clan tables have a new addition, a "rating" column, on the far right (for now). You can sort on this column, but this will become the default sort order when viewing the clan directory.
The clan ratings are not reset each year, but roll over into the following year. Final annual standings are still ava ...[text shortened]... ot calculated live for now, so any new wins/loses will not be reflected in the graphs or rating.
Doesn't appear to solve anything
You said that you were going to try different solutions to the problem other than ELO
When can we expect to see them ?
Originally posted by mghrn55or sandbagging for that matter, In order for it to address sandbagging the overall rating needs to be linked to the players individual ratings. As it stands its simply a different way to express a win loss ratio. It does address people throwing games though which might prevent Metallica from engaging in their end of the year challenge dumps and throwing games when a challenge is won or lost. Its certainly a step in the right direction.
It does not appear to address collusion.
This was the primary issue that prompted you to make the changes.
Actually the primary issue was not a single issue as you have rather predictably claimed but multifaceted and it comes as no surprise that you still live in a kind of fantasy realm. Your clans manipulations have been well documented and if you think you can continue to treat them with denial you have another thing coming.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI was under the impression that you advocated this system as the best thing since sliced bread
or sandbagging for that matter, In order for it to address sandbagging the overall rating needs to be linked to the players individual ratings. As it stands its simply a different way to express a win loss ratio. It does address people throwing games though which might prevent Metallica from engaging in their end of the year challenge dumps and th ...[text shortened]... ented and if you think you can continue to treat them with denial you have another thing coming.
It appears that as usual you are totally wrong
In this system as was pointed out in the other forum, the less challenges you do the better
22 Mar 17
Originally posted by shortcircuitIf you go on the clans tab and alter the filter to clan rating it shows a different measure of the clan performance.Without reading back thro' the thread I think Russ says that although it's a preview at the moment he's going to make it the default view.
Dave, I am being serious. What does it do?? The graph of a clan??
As you know Fred, I've often said the net points view is an inaccurate measure of a clans performance.I think this is a better representation.Give it a try and see the difference!!(I write commercials for washing powder companies -not true) As for the graphs, if you click on the columns you get a breakdown of the clan performance for a particular challenge which could be useful when considering a fresh challenge against that clan.For instance if I clck on a challenge where we played Metallica I could see who played against who and the results for each game as well as the overall result.
22 Mar 17
Originally posted by vendaThat depends how the net points are accumulated.
If you go on the clans tab and alter the filter to clan rating it shows a different measure of the clan performance.Without reading back thro' the thread I think Russ says that although it's a preview at the moment he's going to make it the default view.
As you know Fred, I've often said the net points view is an inaccurate measure of a clans performance.I th ...[text shortened]... I could see who played against who and the results for each game as well as the overall result.
I have held off putting forth a suggestion I had previously posted.
I will resubmit my proposal in the next couple of days or so.
I am currently travelling and have only my smartphone on me.
I may not easily see everything you do.
I hope Russ' proposals are not past the point of no return.
I see too many problems with the clan rating metric.
Originally posted by vendaBut Dave, I can already do everything you said, sans having a graph that is for the most part, pretty worthless IMO. Why would a "clan's graph" make it any easier or harder to get challenges than it already is? It won't Am I to infer that if my clan has an average rating of 1300 and the clan I am proposing to play has a 1400 clan rating, that I should walk away from the challenge?? You have all different clan compositions on this site. You have some that are very top heavy with many 2000+ rated players. You have some that are more than 50% players with ratings of 1000 or less. And you have many with various compositions in between. When the dust settles, you still have to have players that match up reasonably close to get a challenge done, right? How will this graph show me any of that? How will this graph deal with the collusion issues of robbie and the three sisters? How does it deal with McTatyto's sandbagging epidemic? I have not believed in the rating system here for years, as I have said many times before. I maintain my own set of charts about the strength of players on this site that we have had experience with.
If you go on the clans tab and alter the filter to clan rating it shows a different measure of the clan performance.Without reading back thro' the thread I think Russ says that although it's a preview at the moment he's going to make it the default view.
As you know Fred, I've often said the net points view is an inaccurate measure of a clans performance.I th ...[text shortened]... I could see who played against who and the results for each game as well as the overall result.
So, I ask again, how does this address any of these issues?