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Originally posted by my2sonsPrepare yourself for disappointment.
It is a good idea. What is the next step?
Originally posted by MrVarnellTo answer your first question, no, there's been no indication anybody in charge is reading the Site Ideas forum.
Is there anywhere that admin has actually even paid any mind or consideration to this "vote"?
We seem to be all over the place on what it is we even want that there is not a direction for them to even go with this.
As a clan leader, i check every challenge for fairness and eliminate sandbagging in that manner, but I would like to see a change to the ov ...[text shortened]... e oldest clans holding onto points that were won long ago by members who have long since left.
Originally posted by sbacatthis would essentially start the clock over each year with a race between all clans to score clan points based on fairly matched challenges.
To answer your first question, no, there's been no indication anybody in charge is reading the Site Ideas forum.
If you've read the OP, I was asking for a vote on adramforall's model on changing the clan scoring system. If implemented, this would essentially start the clock over each year with a race between all clans to score clan points based on fairly m ...[text shortened]... lay drops by every once in a while to rearrange the deck chairs and provide encouragement. 😉
Originally posted by KingDavid403That's essentially correct. The sandbag flag is a guide, but it's voluntary. Once it's implemented, you can easily see when you're being offered a sandbagger in a challenge but you can still take the challenge. And if the sandbaggers win, the sandbagging clan earns full points as if it had been a fair contest even though it wasn't.
[b]this would essentially start the clock over each year with a race between all clans to score clan points based on fairly matched challenges.
To I this already happens every year with the yearly net points race. Which seems to me that most clans go by in the clan forum. And which seems to be most accurate as far as clan performance to I and YTD net points performance.
I think the flag suggestion can only make this race more fair.[/b]
Originally posted by sbacatA "sandbag flag" carries with it the implicit accusation that somebody is cheating. Mods have stated forcefully that such accusations will no longer be tolerated on this site. A "sandbag flag" is inconsistent with this statement and therefore should not be considered an option.
That's essentially correct. The sandbag flag is a guide, but it's voluntary. Once it's implemented, you can easily see when you're being offered a sandbagger in a challenge but you can still take the challenge. And if the sandbaggers win, the sandbagging clan earns full points as if it had been a fair contest even though it wasn't.
What's different about a ...[text shortened]... sm to enforce that part of it.
The flag is a [b]step in the right direction...[/b]
Originally posted by drdonLets call it a "rating way below ability" flag.
A "sandbag flag" carries with it the implicit accusation that somebody is cheating. Mods have stated forcefully that such accusations will no longer be tolerated on this site. A "sandbag flag" is inconsistent with this statement and therefore should not be considered an option.
Originally posted by drdonI disagree. I've had many clan challenges were a lopsided match up in the challenge was needed to even up the score and make the clan challenge fair. For either side. Plus sandbagging is not cheating. It's not against the rules. It's unethical as we all know. But it's not cheating. And as adramforall just stated just because someone's rating is way lower than their highest rating does not mean their trying to be unethical.
A "sandbag flag" carries with it the implicit accusation that somebody is cheating. Mods have stated forcefully that such accusations will no longer be tolerated on this site. A "sandbag flag" is inconsistent with this statement and therefore should not be considered an option.
Originally posted by barstuddSince when is it fair to match a 1600 player against a 2200 player?
the leagues is a fair system
Originally posted by AmsterdamnThe tournament Entry Rating is unfair for clan matches. And it can be completely manipulated by anyone for clan matches. Especially with (max 100 points difference). My vote would be 100% against this idea of max 100 points. And there needs to be something better than the TER I think.
I'd stick to some simple modifications:
- use Tournament Entry Rating for matching up players (max 100 points difference)
- keep all current ranking systems, but make Annual Net Points leading
Originally posted by KingDavid403Why unfair?
The tournament Entry Rating is unfair for clan matches. And it can be completely manipulated by anyone for clan matches. Especially with (max 100 points difference). My vote would be 100% against this idea of max 100 points. And there needs to be something better than the TER I think.
The Annual Net Points as the lead ranking system Is a good idea to I.
Originally posted by AmsterdamnWhy unfair?
If somebody drops from 1800 to 1000, the TER will be 1700 for at least 365 days..
In the current system you can set this player up against any other (true) 1000 rated player..
When applying TER, you can only match him/her with players who have a TER between 1600 and 1800.
There will always be ways to manipulate, but that's why you have clan leaders, to spot that..[/b]
Originally posted by adramforallAgree 100%.
Since when is it fair to match a 1600 player against a 2200 player?
The leagues are all about playing with a team of higher rated players. The higher their ratings the better.
Look at your top 8 players and then look at the top 8 players from say KPK Clan 25138
Do you honestly believe that the matchups are fair?