Originally posted by googlefudgeYoung Earth Creationists, such as RJHinds and KellyJay, also believe that all the dinosaurs as well as every animal that ever existed were on the Ark.
Ok, well that makes it clear. Thank you.
There is a great Eddie Izzard quote from one of his stand-up routines where he talks about
the flood.
And he says of anyone who thinks you can round up all the animals on the planet and put
them in an ark, "Try it".
You try (with 8 people, and no technology beyond that available 4000 yrs ago) going
ev ...[text shortened]... species
extinct since then.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4bfl8GAMtQ&feature=related
Are you in the same boat, pun intended, along with the YEC's Gramps?
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Originally posted by Proper KnobI thought they thought the dinosaurs were wiped out by the flood and that's why we don't
Young Earth Creationists, such as RJHinds and KellyJay, also believe that all the dinosaurs as well as every animal that ever existed were on the Ark.
Are you in the same boat, pun intended, along with the YEC's Gramps?
see them any more (which is also ridiculous).
If they were on the ark what made them go extinct?
If you have to fit at least 2 of every dinosaur (and every other fossilised creature that can't
withstand a flood, and frankly all the plant life that would be killed by the flood) then your
ridiculously large ark just god ridiculously larger.
Originally posted by googlefudgeI can't remember if it was RJHinds or KellyJay i was having a conversation with about this. I asked whoever it was -
I thought they thought the dinosaurs were wiped out by the flood and that's why we don't
see them any more (which is also ridiculous).
If they were on the ark what made them go extinct?
If you have to fit at least 2 of every dinosaur (and every other fossilised creature that can't
withstand a flood, and frankly all the plant life that would be killed by the flood) then your
ridiculously large ark just god ridiculously larger.
So if there were a couple of T-Rex's on this boat, how come they didn't go around eating all the other animals?
Answer -
They were vegetarian.
Pure brilliance.
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Originally posted by Proper KnobI am not sure that they comprehend the sheer logistical challenge of housing and feeding
I can't remember if it was RJHinds or KellyJay i was having a conversation with about this. I asked whoever it was -
So if there were a couple of T-Rex's on this boat, how come they didn't go around eating all the other animals?
Answer -
They were vegetarian.
Pure brilliance.
that many animals (particularly if you include the tonnage of food some individual dinosaurs
needed per day) for the duration of the flood, let alone over the time period needed to acquire
all these animals.
The ark would have had to have been orders of magnitude bigger than any boat ever built,
and I am not even sure you can make a boat out of wood that's that big without it collapsing
under it's own weight, let alone withstanding the storms while loaded with millions of tonnes
of cargo.
It would have taken entire forests of trees to build the thing, and with only 8 people building it
(4 if it's only the men) while also travelling the entire planet to acquire all the animals....
It's so beyond ridiculous I really and truly don't understand how anyone can believe it.
And this is even before you actually look for all the evidence that should exist (and doesn't) if it were
true.
The same applies to creation, but somehow I always find the flood myth more absurd.
Originally posted by googlefudgeHuman viewpoint.
Ok, well that makes it clear. Thank you.
There is a great Eddie Izzard quote from one of his stand-up routines where he talks about
the flood.
And he says of anyone who thinks you can round up all the animals on the planet and put
them in an ark, "Try it".
You try (with 8 people, and no technology beyond that available 4000 yrs ago) going
ev ...[text shortened]... species
extinct since then.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4bfl8GAMtQ&feature=related
Ok without reviewing several pages of posts, most of which I've already read.
I don't think anyone refuted that days and nights were occuring, according to the bible, before the Sun, Moon, and stars were put into place.
Therefore I don't see how anyone could possibly concluded without reservation, that the 6 days of creation happened in 6 24 hour periods. Hours didn't even exist through more than half the time it took for the Creator to finish the task.
Couple that with Peter in the bible saying that God's time and man's time are utterly and completely different.
I think we all agree that God is literally in another dimension (though I'm not sure of the JW view). His "days" and "nights," according to Peter could be millions, billions, trillions of our years.
Combine that with another instance in Scripture where God is able to stop our time while people are still moving around.
All things considered, it's impossible to tell how many of our years it took for God to complete the task, but 6 24 hour periods is very, very unlikely in my opinion.
Originally posted by googlefudgeI don't think Noah had to do much rounding up of animals. I believe God
Ok, well that makes it clear. Thank you.
There is a great Eddie Izzard quote from one of his stand-up routines where he talks about
the flood.
And he says of anyone who thinks you can round up all the animals on the planet and put
them in an ark, "Try it".
You try (with 8 people, and no technology beyond that available 4000 yrs ago) going
ev ...[text shortened]... species
extinct since then.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4bfl8GAMtQ&feature=related
gave them the instinct to come to the arch at the proper time.
Originally posted by Proper KnobI told you that not every dinosuar went into the arch. Not every animal
Young Earth Creationists, such as RJHinds and KellyJay, also believe that all the dinosaurs as well as every animal that ever existed were on the Ark.
Are you in the same boat, pun intended, along with the YEC's Gramps?
that ever existed was saved by the flood.
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Originally posted by sumydid"Canon of Scripture often uses 'language of accomodation' to communicate information (qualitatively infinite and overwhelming in scope) to finite creatures. Second Person of the Trinity created all things with the word of His power in an instant of 'time'. Days simply outline various categories of His creation as contrasted with unit of measure per se. "He rested" on the 7th day provides an emphatic, bold and definitive punctuation mark to indicate execution of an aspect of His Perfect Plan was thus completed.
Ok without reviewing several pages of posts, most of which I've already read.
I don't think anyone refuted that days and nights were occuring, according to the bible, before the Sun, Moon, and stars were put into place.
Therefore I don't see how anyone could possibly concluded without reservation, that the 6 days of creation happened in 6 24 hou od to complete the task, but 6 24 hour periods is very, very unlikely in my opinion.
"Note: These comments focus on the initial phase of creation in Genesis 1. Continuation of the next phase in Chapter 2 as well as 'Restoration' of the earth following the flood will keep for another day and another thread. Must confess I just happened in here, sumy, and haven't yet read the entire conversation in progress but would imagine those robust individuals of 'evolution theory' persuasion and/or atheistic leaning must be having a field day reaming you a new one. Remember, this too shall pass."
gb (previous page reply)
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyKind sir, I don't believe that my construction is flawed; in fact the staunch evolutionist may have a similar field day with the convenience built into your argument, i.e. that days and nights are just vague markers of time.
"Canon of Scripture often uses 'language of accomodation' to communicate information (qualitatively infinite and overwhelming in scope) to finite creatures. Second Person of the Trinity created all things with the word of His power in an instant of 'time'. Days simply outline various categories of His creation as contrasted with unit of measure per s eaming you a new one. Remember, this too shall pass."
gb (previous page reply)
It may seem absurd or fundy-esque of me to follow this account in Genesis to the letter, but I see it as being pretty explicit in regard to creation. Though it is possible that, as you say, everything was created instantaneously, the bible takes us through creation in a clear step-by-step process. X happened, then y happened, then z. I for one am not comfortable with the liberal Christian approach; that the creation account is filled with abstract and metaphor. I don't see any evidence to suggest we should treat the creation account as a fanciful poem, allegory, or whatever.
Originally posted by RJHindsOf course the animals came to the Arch (sic) Noah had no rounding up to do and when it was all over noah didnt have to circumnavigate the globe to return them to their natural habitats ... they just walked.
I don't think Noah had to do much rounding up of animals. I believe God
gave them the instinct to come to the arch at the proper time.
Nevermind about the Indian, Atlantic and Pacific Oceans - god just parted the waters -
nevermind that it took years for them to walk across ocean beds - god provided food at convenient intervals -
nevermind that those pairs of predators didnt eat those pairs of prey - god declared a truce
Fantastic tricks but none mentioned in bible - just mundane stuff about how many cubits the galley had to be.
The only thing more unbelievable is the gullibility of believers.
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Originally posted by RJHindsTell me, how long would it have taken, say, for a brontosaurus in what we now call South America, to swim across the Atlantic ocean to get to the arc and what would this giant vegetarian have eaten along the way? As a vegetarian there would not have been many leaves to eat in the middle of the ocean. How many months would it have taken for that animal to cross the atlantic and then thousands of miles more on land to get to the arc?
I don't think Noah had to do much rounding up of animals. I believe God
gave them the instinct to come to the arch at the proper time.
I see Wolfgang and I had the same problem.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyAre you kidding?!?
Human viewpoint.
Human viewpoints are the only viewpoints that we have to go on.
(I realize that some of you (christians ) out there think that God's viewpoint is expressed in the bible, but , as has been pointed out ad infinitum, human viewpoints are the only opinions that we have to go by.)
The bible was written by humans, what is so hard about this to understand?