Originally posted by wolfgang59I think it has definitely been established that the creation day was a
It is not the accuracy i am questioning - just want a simple (estimated) definition of what a day means. Saying 24 hours is hopeless if you define an hour as 1/24 of a day isnt it?
24-hour day, so no more need be said about that.
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Originally posted by RJHindsI'm shaking my head. Did I miss something?
I think it has definitely been established that the creation day was a
24-hour day, so no more need be said about that.
If I were to say one way or the other, I would say it's been established in this thread that the "day" time period spoken of in Genesis, was anything but a literal 24-hour period.
So I guess there's a LOT more to talk about since we are both confidently speaking from opposite sides of the spectrum.
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Originally posted by sumydidLol. He follows his on path.
I'm shaking my head. Did I miss something?
If I were to say one way or the other, I would say it's been established in this thread that the "day" time period spoken of in Genesis, was anything but a literal 24-hour period.
So I guess there's a LOT more to talk about since we are both confidently speaking from opposite sides of the spectrum.
Hey did Old Eagle get back with you yet?
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Originally posted by sumydidI am a fundi as well. I really enjoyed a book called, "Genesis and the Big Bang", by Dr. Gerald Schroeder. It is his contention that the 6 Biblical days of creation in question are not 6 literal man days. In fact, he came up with a time line of about 15 billion years for the 6 day event. It was his suggestion that for each day time halves. That places the first day at 8 billion years, then day 2 at 4 billion years etc. Amazingly, scientific events like the Cambrian explosoin match the days in Genesis.
I'm a fundamentalist (in the strict sense of the word, not the derogatory "fundy" ). I believe the entire universe was created in literally 6 days.
And no, that's not a reversal of my position in the prior post.
As for days gone by, how can a day go by when the sun is not created on day 2? Where is the morning? One thing science has taught us, time is relative. That means the 6 days of creation were BEFORE man came on the scene. So this time line is not relative to us at all.
Originally posted by RJHindsOn earth. What about mercury? What about Jupiter? If you were on these planets a day would be different.
I think it has definitely been established that the creation day was a
24-hour day, so no more need be said about that.
Time is relative not a constant. In fact, if you went speeding through the galaxy at the speed of light and came back in 2 hours we would all be dead of old age yet you would have only aged 2 hours.
So what of the Big Bang? How has various changes in acceleration since that event warped time?
Originally posted by whodeyMaybe you misunderstand him or you may be misquoting him on purpose.
I am a fundi as well. I really enjoyed a book called, "Genesis and the Big Bang", by Dr. Gerald Schroeder. It is his contention that the 6 Biblical days of creation in question are not 6 literal man days. In fact, he came up with a time line of about 15 billion years for the 6 day event. It was his suggestion that for each day time halves. That places th ...[text shortened]... f creation were BEFORE man came on the scene. So this time line is not relative to us at all.
Originally posted by whodeyI think Albert Einstein explained all this with his theory of relativity.
On earth. What about mercury? What about Jupiter? If you were on these planets a day would be different.
Time is relative not a constant. In fact, if you went speeding through the galaxy at the speed of light and came back in 2 hours we would all be dead of old age yet you would have only aged 2 hours.
So what of the Big Bang? How has various changes in acceleration since that event warped time?
The point you miss is that God explains how he determines time on
the 4th creation day in combination with the first day. The Holy
Bible in another place says God stretched out the heavens. So the
stretching of the heavens accounts for the fact scientist think the
universe is billions of years old. But it is clear to me now that God
created everything in a literal 6 days of 24-hours but each day appears
to man today as longer periods that vary in length from the last day
being the shortest and the first day being the longest due to the
stretching of the heavens.
Originally posted by sumydidHmmm. Texan speak with forked tongue.
I'm shaking my head. Did I miss something?
If I were to say one way or the other, I would say it's been established in this thread that the "day" time period spoken of in Genesis, was anything but a literal 24-hour period.
So I guess there's a LOT more to talk about since we are both confidently speaking from opposite sides of the spectrum.
Originally posted by RJHinds"each day consisted of a night-time and a daylight-time"
The creation period was 6 days and each day consisted of a night-time
and a daylight-time just like we have today. You do the math.
wasnt it the 4th day he created the sun? Daylight has no meaning for the first 3 "days" or are you saying those days were the same absolute length as they are now?
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Originally posted by wolfgang59No God did not create the sun on the 4th day. He created the sun, earth,
[b]"each day consisted of a night-time and a daylight-time"
wasnt it the 4th day he created the sun? Daylight has no meaning for the first 3 "days" or are you saying those days were the same absolute length as they are now?[/b]
moon, and stars on the first day along with the rest of the heavens. God
made the light appear on the earth by arranging the sun, moon, and stars
for times and seasons that we still have today. God established this system
for man to tell the length of time for the first day.
Yes, daylight has a meaning on the first three days. Don't you remember
God Created light on the first day. I can not say those days have the
same absolute length that they have now; but they are calculated in the
same manner. That is why I said, "You do the math."
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Originally posted by wolfgang59
[b]"each day consisted of a night-time and a daylight-time"
wasnt it the 4th day he created the sun? Daylight has no meaning for the first 3 "days" or are you saying those days were the same absolute length as they are now?[/b]
wasnt it the 4th day he created the sun? Daylight has no meaning for the first 3 "days" or are you saying those days were the same absolute length as they are now?
The word for our English lights is a different Hebrew word concerning the 4th day, from the word for our English on the first day.
On the fourth day it is more like "light holders" or "light bearers". This seems a more definitely light the source of which can be clearly located.
The Recovery Version Bible translates Genesis 1:16 - 18
"And God said, Let there be light-bearers in the expanse of heaven to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years.
And God made the two great light-bearers, the greater light-bearer to rule the day and the lesser light-bearer to rule the night, and the stars. And God set them in the expanse of heaven t give light on the earth."
The picture I get is that the seer sees a diffuse light that pervading all around but its source is not seen. Then on the vision of the fourth day the seer sees the making, or formation, or appearing of the sun, moon, and stars.
As it was pointed out, Genesis is but one place where the creation of all things is talked about in the Bible. My habit is to consider all such passages in the Bible together.
And Zechariah 12:1 does say God stetched forth the heavens, laid the foundation of the earth, and formed the spirit of man within him.
A good scientific discussion on all the passages in Scripture on creation is the Christian astro-physicist Dr. Hugh Ross of "Reasons to Believe".
I do not endorse everything he teaches. But he does have an encompasing approach to all the creation passages in the Bible together, which I appreciate.
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Originally posted by jaywillThe point I was trying to make was the days are not egual to anywasnt it the 4th day he created the sun? Daylight has no meaning for the first 3 "days" or are you saying those days were the same absolute length as they are now?
The word for our English lights is a different Hebrew word concerning the 4th day, from the word for our English on the first day.
On the fourth day it is more like "lig proach to [b]all the creation passages in the Bible together, which I appreciate.[/b]
number of our years, etc., but are real days like we know them.
They may have a slight difference due the slight changes in speed
of movement of the spinning of the earth and the rotation around
the sun; but they are calculated the same.