-Removed-And I don't know why you can't understand why the answer has to be the way I answered it. I guess you will never get it.
And you are wrong in you stance on doing spiritual matters on your own.
Here are some scriptures to think about. And if you do read them you'll see the word Brother or Brotherhood is mentioned many times as well as associating with them.
One that has decided to be on their own like yourself cannot reap the instructions and benifits of being a part of an organization that "Feed's the Flock" spiritual food we all need. That is where you learn the Bible.
Hebrews 10:25 (New International Version)
25 Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.
Psalm 133:1-3:
A Pilgrim Song of David
1-3 How wonderful, how beautiful, when brothers and sisters get along!
It's like costly anointing oil
flowing down head and beard,
Flowing down Aaron's beard,
flowing down the collar of his priestly robes.
It's like the dew on Mount Hermon
flowing down the slopes of Zion.
Yes, that's where God commands the blessing,
ordains eternal life.
Matthew 23:8 (Today's New International Version):
8 "But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
1 Peter 5:9 (Wycliffe New Testament):
9 Whom against stand ye, strong in the faith, witting that the same passion is made to that brotherhood of you, that is in the world [witting the same passion to be done to that your brotherhood, that is in the world].
Originally posted by galveston75I think that is what the thread is all about. "Is my beliefs in my 'church' so perfect and according to gods will, that only those exactly believing like me and my church are the only one which will be entering the heaven?"
Well courage has nothing to do with it. We were just asked a question that is not a yes or no.
So I'll ask you the same. Does someone need to join a Catholic, Bapist or Mormon church to be saved?
I would say that some would actually say 'yes', but the main part would say 'no': "Those who believes in JC, not regarding the church they currently belong, living a sufficiently good life, will enter the heaven."
OP gives a question to see weather JW is of the former kind, or the latter.
Originally posted by FabianFnasspot on, and reduced to a nutshell
I think that is what the thread is all about. "Is my beliefs in my 'church' so perfect and according to gods will, that only those exactly believing like me and my church are the only one which will be entering the heaven?"
I would say that some would actually say 'yes', but the main part would say 'no': "Those who believes in JC, not regarding the chu ...[text shortened]... eaven."
OP gives a question to see weather JW is of the former kind, or the latter.
-Removed-And why do you have such trouble with understanding there is not, never will, no way, won't happen, a yes or no answer? You seem to be a fairly intelligent person with good reasoning abilty and a good amount of common sense. I honestly mean that so I just can't figure you out. Is it your life is just black and white, on or off, left or right, go or stop? What's the deal?
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-Removed-It's not complicated to us at all. It just seems to be to you and Duecer. And the reason it seems to be complicated to ones who believe their saved NOW see no need to do the OTHER things Jesus told us to do. Your taking the easy way out and that is what your churches have taught you. This is not what Jesus's word says in your Bible.
The Bible says that "Satan is the ruler of this world" and that would include all false religions. So how better to misguide millions into a false sense of doing what their churches tell them is good and that's all you have to do, which in this case is some diluted form of worship and completely "proving false to it's power." Their "talents" have never been used for any good.
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-Removed-Okay, sorry for misinterpreting your writing. No harm done, I hope.
Back to the other part of your line: "the question and you are an unbeliever...an atheist I believe?"
I'm not an 'unbeliever', I believe a lot.
If I am an atheist or not, depends of the definition of the word 'atheist'. I don't believe in the christian god, neither kind, because they who call themselves christians, cannot unite of an single definition at all, they simply don't know.
I just cannot believe in any god that threatens us to death if we don't believe. Believe what? According to whom or what church? (Unanswered.)
Any church who say that they and no other has the Truth on their hands, and everyone saying otherwise are simply wrong. That doesn't give any respect in my opinion. Therefore I find this question, answerable with a clear 'yes' or 'no', is very interesting.
Up to now, I haven't got any straight 'yes' or 'no'. Is it because of the question asked? Or to the individual? Or is it a flaw in the church iteslf? That's what this thread is about.