Originally posted by @eladarI have the impression John 7 does not say that the person who practices righteousness according to G-d's law is as righteous as G-d. The righteousness of G-d is unconceivable.
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Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is ...[text shortened]... d does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
John uses a metaphor in order to describe what is the exact nature of righteousness a person has to conduct in order to become a Christian.
It seems to me John 8 does not say "He who sins is of the devil, for the devil was sinned from the beginning" because he believes that Satan is really the Father of man. John knows that the Father of Man is under any circumstances G-d and only G-d.
I believe John uses a metaphor in order to demonstrate that whoever does not practice righteousness is acting like the devil, who sinned in the beginning and for this specific reason fell like lightning from heaven. The sin nature of the man is initiated by the Snake. For this specific purpose the Son of G-d was manifested: that He might destroy the works of the devil.
Methinks John 9 states that whoever lives as demonstrated at John 7, and thus accepts G-d's righteousness through Jesus, is so radically transformed that he is really born again. How a person could ever be born again literally?
John uses a metaphor in order to point out the shifting of one's nature from the sinful state to the state of G-d's righteousness. The born again by G-d person cannot sin when it remains constantly in unison with G-d. Therefore, the person must keep up cultivating continuously by G-d the strength of the bond of this unison.
How one can stay in unison with G-d in this World of Lies, which is ruled by the fell like lightning in the ground devil who provides endless fuel to the sinful nature of the man?
One can stay in unison with G-d by practicing righteousness as shown at John 7. Such a person simply cannot sin, because G-d's righteousness is not lawlessness, and sin takes place strictly in separation to G-d's righteousness; in the realm of G-d's righteousness, sin is non-existent. All in all, a Christian has under any circumstances to conduct G-d's righteousness.
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Originally posted by @black-beetleYou seemed to have tried this think it through.
I have the impression John 7 does not say that the person who practices righteousness according to G-d's law is as righteous as G-d. The righteousness of G-d is unconceivable.
John uses a metaphor in order to describe what is the exact nature of righteousness a person has to conduct in order to become a Christian.
It seems to me John 8 does not say ...[text shortened]... xistent. All in all, a Christian has under any circumstances to conduct G-d's righteousness.
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Do you mean devil as the father of fallen or sinful man or he was the father of created man, period ?
Comment also that Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes.
"For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes." (Rom 10:4)
Originally posted by @sonship[/b]I said what I said: Devil is nobody's Father. Father of Kosmos and of every sentient being is only G-d, according to the Christian dogma.
You seemed to have tried this think it through.
Do you mean devil as the father of fallen or sinful man or he was the father of created man, period ?
Comment also that Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes.[b] "For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes." (Rom 10:4)
"Father of sinful or fallen men" is just a metaphor. Everything came into being by G-d's will. Sinful or fallen men are not born by devil; they are merely deceived by the devil and they can change this condition by accepting to cross the Bridge.
Rom. 10:4 has the meaning you offered.
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Originally posted by @black-beetleTime is limited for me today.
I said what I said: Devil is nobody's Father. Father of Kosmos and of every sentient being is only G-d, according to the Christian dogma.
"Father of sinful or fallen men" is just a metaphor. Everything came into being by G-d's will. Sinful or fallen men are not born by devil; they are merely deceived by the devil and they can change this condition by accepting to cross the Bridge.
Rom. 10:4 has the meaning you offered.
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Sounds a bit like Christian Science.
We'll talk latter.
Originally posted by @black-beetleOk
I have the impression John 7 does not say that the person who practices righteousness according to G-d's law is as righteous as G-d. The righteousness of G-d is unconceivable.
John uses a metaphor in order to describe what is the exact nature of righteousness a person has to conduct in order to become a Christian.
It seems to me John 8 does not say ...[text shortened]... xistent. All in all, a Christian has under any circumstances to conduct G-d's righteousness.
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Originally posted by @black-beetleJohn 8:43-45
I said what I said: Devil is nobody's Father. Father of Kosmos and of every sentient being is only G-d, according to the Christian dogma.
"Father of sinful or fallen men" is just a metaphor. Everything came into being by G-d's will. Sinful or fallen men are not born by devil; they are merely deceived by the devil and they can change this condition by accepting to cross the Bridge.
Rom. 10:4 has the meaning you offered.
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Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out his desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, because he is a liar and the father of lies. But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me!
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Originally posted by @dj2beckerOf course your god NEVER murders does it? What was that story, it's on the tip of my tongue.
John 8:43-45
Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out his desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, because he is a liar and the father of lies. But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me!
Oh yeah
NOAH.
So how many people did you god kill THAT time?
To say nothing of murdering all the land life on Earth. Such a show of grace.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI found a book which said.
John 8:43-45
Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out his desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, because he is a liar and the father of lies. But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me!
"Eat pizza and despise all Christians, but because
I speak the truth, you do not believe Me"
Dominoes2 verse 7
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Originally posted by @sonhouseGod is not a human being, so yes God does not murder. He gives life and takes life.
Of course your god NEVER murders does it? What was that story, it's on the tip of my tongue.
Oh yeah
NOAH.
So how many people did you god kill THAT time?
To say nothing of murdering all the land life on Earth. Such a show of grace.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerWhy do you come with John 8:43-45, dj2becker?
John 8:43-45
Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out his desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, because he is a liar and the father of lies. But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me!
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Originally posted by @black-beetleBecause you said the Devil is nobody's father. 😵
Why do you come with John 8:43-45, dj2becker?
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Originally posted by @dj2beckerSure thing, this is what I say. devil is nobody's father. It is a metaphor😵
Because you said the Devil is nobody's father. 😵
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Originally posted by @black-beetleThe comment I made about what you wrote sounding like Christian Science, I retract.
Sounds like the Orthodox Christian approach, probably because this is the Orthodox Christian approach. Devil has no power when one is protected by the Armor of G-d.
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I realized that I was wrong, after reading it more carefully.
Bad call.