Originally posted by @sonshipVery clear. Unfortunately I am ignorant of Brethren theology, so it is difficult for me to decipher your view on the spot. Be well.
[b] On the previous pages I commented in full and I offered my fair answers and my sources, because I do know that the Christian religion is full of denominations. As a student of the Word, I wanted to share my view and, if possible, to learn a thing or two.
For Orthodox, Calvinist, Catholic approaches are some amongst many. You do not acknowledge this fa ...[text shortened]... resistance is often leveled against what seems pretty clear from places like [b]Romans 6, 7.[/b]
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Originally posted by @sonshipEdit: The mind is effected by where it is SET.
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I am not here because I want to preach, and I am not here because I want to be a subject of preaching. You see, I replied you already on page 4 as regards the exact nature of falsehood and sin; all in all, when it is said "children of Satan", it does not relate to a transmission of substance to the fallen man, but to a mark as regards the corruption of ...[text shortened]... nd the result is divine life and peace.
The mind is effected by where it is SET.
Am I right?
Am I right?
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Originally posted by @sonshipYou will get no Amen from me because my tradition is different than yours; but I can wholeheartedly wish you to keep up going Beyond, sonship.
[b] I am not here because I want to preach, and I am not here because I want to be a subject of preaching.
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Yes, preaching on a discussion forum can get annoying.
Can I get an Amen?[/b]
It's geting late in here; have a good time.
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Originally posted by @black-beetleYou didn't too bad yourself though, on the preaching thing.
You will get no Amen from me because my tradition is different than yours; but I can wholeheartedly wish you to keep up going Beyond, sonship.
It's geting late in here; have a good time.
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A little smile at the end, but it still sounded like me preaching.
Because the body we inherited from Adam's disobedience is simply ashes and dust without the soul
(soul, the mark of the manifestation of life, whose nature is divine under all circumstances since the Father of the soul is strictly G-d the Father; body and soul are one, and the Orthodox fathers believe that the soul envelops the body)
and without the transfiguration (by means of accepting Jesus) of the spirit
(which is defected because of the falsehood induced to the mind of the fallen man by the Snake)
to the state it had before the falling from Grace. This is how the necessary transfiguration of "our body of humiliation" is possible.
Since physikos anthropos is, for one, mortal, and, for two, already dead even when he is alive in the fallen world because he is not pneumatikos anymore, only by G-d’s power through the Son and by Grace can the spirit be given back, thanks to the sacrifice of the Son of G-d, so that a person may live again.
He does not speak of the "mind of our humiliation" because the humiliation of the man in the fallen world affects the trinity (body, soul, spirit) that marks his existence in whole.
Originally posted by @black-beetleDid you ever find the simplicity of just asking the Lord Jesus Christ to come into your heart?
Edit: But I think the damage is because of a foreign element added into man's being of some kind.
Yes; falsehood, sonship.
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The simplicity of just receiving Him is very humbling.
Yet it is the most effective forward move into a personal relationship with God.
Originally posted by @sonshipEdit: You didn't too bad yourself though, on the preaching thing. A little smile at the end, but it still sounded like me preaching.”
You didn't too bad yourself though, on the preaching thing.
A little smile at the end, but it still sounded like me preaching.Because the body we inherited from Adam's disobedience is simply ashes and dust without the soul
(soul, the mark of the manifestation of life, whose nature is divine under all circumstances since the Father of the ...[text shortened]... len world affects the trinity (body, soul, spirit) that marks his existence in whole.
The triggered by the OP of this thread conversation about hermeneutics, is not preaching by my side. It is simply a debate about the OP.
I believe the OP is not grounded on the Word, but is a product of a problematic attitude as regards the Word. I evaluated it as problematic because it is not in accordance neither to my personal understanding of the Word, nor to the proper use of Koine, or to the hermeneutics of the Orthodox Greek and the Calvinist Church which are by and large known to me. The fact that I am an atheist, does not mean I am ignorant of the main tenets of the Abrahamic religions. And the fact that I debate on specific issues of the Christian tradition does not mean I am preaching. It means that my interest is to find out why is it (if it really is) the case that an approach alien to the Word is supposedly accurate for the followers of an unknown to me Christian tradition. If the OP holds, I would like to get to know the reason why.
Mind you, I am not allowed to preach as regards the Word. I am just a student of the Word, not a Christian.
However, I know the Orthodox view. And I strongly believe that nobody can throw verses senselessly as if they were stones. I strongly believe that a Christian should respect the spirit of her Teacher, to study hard, to meditate and to absorb his amazingly multi-leveled teaching. According to the Christian tradition, he accepted to die in order to save all the human beings and he even forgave the ones who killed him, yet the OP keeps up spreading hatred and dichotomy instead of cultivating compassion and the conditions necessary for the pure conduct of Agape.
If you Christians strongly believe that your religious dogma can really save our brothers and sisters who suffer in the fallen world because, deceived by the Snake as they are, they are unable to accept your Teacher’s teaching, do not blame them. Blame yourselves, because you could not find the proper ways and the necessary skillful means to educate them so that they could be saved. That being said, if this post of mine sounds in your ears like preaching, then a preacher big time I confess I am, sonship.
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Originally posted by @sonshipEdit: Did you ever find the simplicity of just asking the Lord Jesus Christ to come into your heart?
Did you ever find the simplicity of just asking the Lord Jesus Christ to come into your heart?
The simplicity of just receiving Him is very humbling.
Yet it is the most effective forward move into a personal relationship with God.
Yes. It is my knowledge that the nature of your Teacher is Clear Light.
Namaste😵
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Originally posted by @black-beetleI believe the OP is not grounded on the Word, but is a product of a problematic attitude as regards the Word.
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Strictly speaking I thought the OP was a question or two rather than a position.
According to the Christian faith, if you are not a follower of Jesus, are you a follower of Satan? Or is there another option?
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Originally posted by @gswilmI believe the OP is the product of a person whose attitude is problematic as regards the Word😵
[b]I believe the OP is not grounded on the Word, but is a product of a problematic attitude as regards the Word.
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Strictly speaking I thought the OP was a question or two rather than a position.According to the Christian faith, if you are not a follower of Jesus, are you a follower of Satan? Or is there another option?
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Originally posted by @black-beetleMind you, I am not allowed to preach as regards the Word. I am just a student of the Word, not a Christian.
Edit: You didn't too bad yourself though, on the preaching thing. A little smile at the end, but it still sounded like me preaching.”
The triggered by the OP of this thread conversation about hermeneutics, is not preaching by my side. It is simply a debate about the OP.
I believe the OP is not grounded on the Word, but is a product of a problemat ...[text shortened]... f mine sounds in your ears like preaching, then a preacher big time I confess I am, sonship.
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But a "student" who really understands would let Jesus go on from being a teacher their Lord because He is living and available. If you didn't get that from the Gospel, you didn't get it.
I hear your confidence that you know the tenets of the Christian theology. But the simplicity of receiving the AVAILABLE Son of God as Lord you missed.
You missed the whole thing. If you missed the living available Jesus, you miss being a real learner.
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However, I know the Orthodox view. And I strongly believe that nobody can throw verses senselessly as if they were stones. I strongly believe that a Christian should respect the spirit of her Teacher,
I agree. But by "the spirit of her Teacher" I think you mean Spirit of Christ is living One - for lack of any other suitable English word, a PERSON.
Don't speak of respecting the spirit of the Teacher and then manifestly confess that you are an Atheist who does not believe the Spirit of God - the Spirit of Christ even exists.
If you care about "the spirit of her Teacher" really you should open your whole heart to RECEIVE Jesus Christ the Person in His receivable form as "life giving Spirit".
"the last Adam became a life giving Spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45)
Those are not just pretty sounding spiritual words. They are practical. Jesus Christ is in a form today that He can be received that He might GIVE God's Person, God's divine life into our being.
to study hard, to meditate and to absorb his amazingly multi-leveled teaching. According to the Christian tradition, he accepted to die in order to save all the human beings and he even forgave the ones who killed him, yet the OP keeps up spreading hatred and dichotomy instead of cultivating compassion and the conditions necessary for the pure conduct of Agape.
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This Jesus Christ is alive from the dead today. I mean TODAY.
His redemption can thoroughly cleanse away our sins that we may receive God. That is God, not God the theology or ideology or the tradition but God the Living Person.
- sonship
Originally posted by @gswilmEdit: But a "student" who really understands would let Jesus go on from being a teacher their Lord because He is living and available. If you didn't get that from the Gospel, you didn't get it.
[b] Mind you, I am not allowed to preach as regards the Word. I am just a student of the Word, not a Christian.
But a "student" who really understands would let Jesus go on from being a teacher their Lord because He is living and available. If you didn't get that from the Gospel, you didn't get it.
I hear your confidence that you know the tenets of ...[text shortened]... s God, not God the theology or ideology or the tradition but God the Living Person.
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I do not see it this way. I study everything I evaluate as worth of studying. Why a student of the Word should be a Christian? If you were a student of Tao, should you be a Taoist? Or, in case you remain a Christian and still study Taoism for specific reasons, it would mean that you "don't get it" as regards that system?😵
Originally posted by @gswilmEdit: Don't speak of respecting the spirit of the Teacher and then manifestly confess that you are an Atheist who does not believe the Spirit of God - the Spirit of Christ even exists.
[b] Mind you, I am not allowed to preach as regards the Word. I am just a student of the Word, not a Christian.
But a "student" who really understands would let Jesus go on from being a teacher their Lord because He is living and available. If you didn't get that from the Gospel, you didn't get it.
I hear your confidence that you know the tenets of ...[text shortened]... s God, not God the theology or ideology or the tradition but God the Living Person.
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As an atheist I am not a Christian.
But why exactly do you think I cannot see clearly the personage of Jesus as it is depicted in the Scripture?
Did I say something about the Word that is false, in your opinion? Did I use hermeneutics that are not tenable? If this is the case, kindly please show me my mistakes and I will stand corrected.
But, If I perceive the Word accurately, and if I debate regarding the Word in fairness and good spirit, ain't this mean that I understand Jesus' message?
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Originally posted by @gswilmEdit: This Jesus Christ is alive from the dead today. I mean TODAY.
[b] Mind you, I am not allowed to preach as regards the Word. I am just a student of the Word, not a Christian.
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But a "student" who really understands would let Jesus go on from being a teacher their Lord because He is living and available. If you didn't get that from the Gospel, yo ...[text shortened]... s God, not God the theology or ideology or the tradition but God the Living Person.
- sonship[/b]
His redemption can thoroughly cleanse away our sins that we may receive God. That is God, not God the theology or ideology or the tradition but God the Living Person.
This is your Way, sonship, according to the Christian tradition. Be well.
My tradition is different than yours.
Namaste😵
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Originally posted by @black-beetleEdit: But a "student" who really understands would let Jesus go on from being a teacher their Lord because He is living and available. If you didn't get that from the Gospel, you didn't get it.
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By God's mercy I never used discouraging examples of believers to hinder me from receiving Jesus as Lord.
When any argument you want. But receive, receive the Lord Jesus into your own heart.
Where is your confidence? You don't have the peace that passes all understanding unless you turn your heart over to the Lord Jesus.
I say again, without apology, you will never have the peace and assurance that God is yours and you are His until you receive the Lord Jesus as your Lord and Savior by faith. He is faithful.
Don't think your pointing out the weaknesses of Christians will make you one bit more justified to God. Even your insight needs to be washed in the blood of Christ.
Even your perception on how Christians OUGHT to behave needs to be washed in the blood of Jesus receiving Jesus yourself.
I do not see it this way. I study everything I evaluate as worth of studying. Why a student of the Word should be a Christian? If you were a student of Tao, should you be a Taoist? Or, in case you remain a Christian and still study Taoism for specific reasons, it would mean that you "don't get it" as regards that system
Well if I were you, and had spent the YEARS searching, I would honestly tell Jesus something like this -
Lord Jesus, I so much want to remain OBJECTIVE about it all. I so much want to remain, aloof, above it all, neutral and objective. I still want to be on the fence with vast information.
Lord Jesus, help my unbelief. Help me to come as a little child as You taught and confess that I am a hopeless and lost sinner - a knowledgeable and conversant sinner, but a lost sinner who does not know God.
Do you want to know all ABOUT God?
Or do you want to know God Himself?
I would encourage you to go on from knowing all about tenets and receive the Lord Jesus Christ the living Son of God.
You'll be full of joy.
- sonship
Originally posted by @gswilmI feel your deep compassion, sonship. Hopefully you feel mine.
[b] Edit: But a "student" who really understands would let Jesus go on from being a teacher their Lord because He is living and available. If you didn't get that from the Gospel, you didn't get it.
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By God's mercy I never used discouraging examples of believers to hinder me from receiv ...[text shortened]... and receive the Lord Jesus Christ the living Son of God.
You'll be full of joy.
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May All Beings Be Happy!
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