"A man's deeds determine who he is...."

@rajk999 said
Whether or not God is fond of me, is irrelevant to the topic in this thread. You might be surprised about who God is fond of. It says much about people [3 so far here] who instead of sticking to the topic choose to make direct or snide derogatory remarks about someone. I bet you cannot find anything wrong with what I have said, neither can you find anything I have boasted ab ...[text shortened]... tance on this matter, you chose to condemn me. Jesus said when this happens to be happy. I am happy.

Jesus never commented on the gay issue.

@chaney3 said
Jesus never commented on the gay issue.

Oh, you are correct .. my apologies. Homosexuality is OK then.

@bigdoggproblem said
Where's the fun in that?

Let's try to figure it out.

Indeed, however I like to enjoy asking direct questions.

@rajk999 said
Oh, you are correct .. my apologies. Homosexuality is OK then.

Well, He didn't. Maybe that's the reason for the Church of Iceland thread, about the Jesus depiction. Maybe Jesus loves everyone, even gay people?

@chaney3 said
Well, He didn't. Maybe that's the reason for the Church of Iceland thread, about the Jesus depiction. Maybe Jesus loves everyone, even gay people?

Maybe you are right. I wont put money on it though. Neither would I chance my hope of eternal life on someone's uninformed guess.

@rajk999 said
Maybe you are right. I wont put money on it though. Neither would I chance my hope of eternal life on someone's uninformed guess.

It just seems to me that if Jesus was against homosexuality He would have said something about it. Instead, He preached about love and tolerance for all of us.

@chaney3 said
It just seems to me that if Jesus was against homosexuality He would have said something about it. Instead, He preached about love and tolerance for all of us.

We have no record of all that Jesus preached. The love that Jesus preached was charitable or brotherly love. I dont know what kind of love you refer to. As for tolerance, you might be surprised to know that that word does not exist in the bible, especially when it comes to sin.

@rajk999 said
We have no record of all that Jesus preached. The love that Jesus preached was charitable or brotherly love. I dont know what kind of love you refer to. As for tolerance, you might be surprised to know that that word does not exist in the bible, especially when it comes to sin.

Loving one's neighbor, when one might seriously dislike them, is tolerance.

@chaney3 said
Loving one's neighbor, when one might seriously dislike them, is tolerance.

You are not stating your case clearly. Here is the correct thing

- Charitable love is demonstrated when you show charity to all people, whether you like them or not.

Your use of the word 'tolerance' is implying that one must accept their sin and to condone it. This is incorrect.

@rajk999 said
You are not stating your case clearly. Here is the correct thing

- Charitable love is demonstrated when you show charity to all people, whether you like them or not.

Your use of the word 'tolerance' is implying that one must accept their sin and to condone it. This is incorrect.

Do you think that what Jesus meant was "Love thy neighbor as thyself, unless, you know, they don't look like you, or have a lifestyle different from you, or are poor, or are in prison, or are persecuted."

Is that what he meant?

@rajk999 said
Exactly.
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When we judge others, we err. Usually, the error is in refusing to listen once you think you have all the info you need to judge. If this is all you got from his rather long introductory post, then obviously, you stopped listening. Unfortunately, this is SOP for you, and that's why you never learn.

@rajk999 said
Dunno.. guess you can aak Him when you meet up. What I know is that He has a good laugh at uneducated people using big words they dont understand.

Jesus, on the cross, said, "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."

I don't think he laughs much at uneducated people. I will ask him to forgive you, though.

@rajk999 said
Oh, you are correct .. my apologies. Homosexuality is OK then.

Jesus didn’t teach anything about homosexuality, Paul did. But seeing as how you feel Paul’s teachings contradict Jesus then I guess it’s a safe bet to assume that homosexual acts are ok with .Jesus?

@suzianne said
I will ask him to forgive you, though.

Let us know what he says.

@fmf said
"A man's deeds determine who he is. Nothing else."

A line from Israeli TV drama 'Prisoners of War'.

OK. It need not be "a man's" deeds - "a person's" deeds is better - and the "nothing else" bit is a bit hyperbolic and simplistic, but the idea behind the assertion is worth exploring nevertheless. One's inner life and perceived-in-the-first-person narrative aside, does much else matter in terms of who a person is relative to others apart from "deeds"?

I agree, it’s a worthy exploration.

Is it possible for a moral person to fall short of good deeds? If one considers the belief of many in the Christian community, the answer is, “yes”, hence the need for a savior figure such as Jesus... this may be an oversimplification...apologies in advance if it is.

On the other hand, is it possible for an immoral or amoral person to perform good deeds and still have their morality held in question?—think Oskar Schindler who used Jewish prisoners to further his own financial gain and yet saved many.

I don’t know.

One thing that I do know, the opening post mentioned nothing of either God or Jesus...