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Spirituality

  1. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    26 Nov '17 16:09
    Brothers and sisters, a mere two hundred years of industrial society has been sufficient to bring the world to the brink of ecological destruction. The signs of the coming apocalypse are everywhere to see: global warming, super storms, rising sea levels, droughts, enormous wildfires, pollution, habitat loss, accelerating species extinction, all coupled with an unsustainable human population growth. Indeed, the anthropocene is shaping up to an epoch of destruction not seen since the Cretaceous-Paleogene extinction event. But there are two differences between that event and our current situation. The first is that we know it's coming. The second is that we have the ability to stop it from happening. At least in theory.

    It seems abundantly clear, though, that mankind's major religions, which were founded by pre-industrial societies, are wholly incapable of addressing the looming crisis. They have done nothing to stem the tide of ecological destruction. It also seems clear that sweeping the old religions away in favor of an unfettered science isn't going to produce any better results. Science, as an amoral institution, has played a leading role in bringing us to the brink of ecological ruin. And as long as science continues to dance to the tune played by global capitalism, it will continue to facilitate that ongoing destruction. The false prophets of progress continually assure us that we will innovate our way out of the crisis, but their prophesies become more and more implausible with each passing year.

    What is needed is a new religion. A religion that isn't continually at odds with science. A religion that meshes seamlessly with scientific knowledge, while steering science away from being the willing accomplice of ecological destruction. That religion, brothers and sisters, is pantheism. Only a religion that holds the universe, and especially the earth, to be sacred can provide the moral foundation to enable mankind to alter the destructive path to which global capitalism has hitherto bound us. Only pantheism can provide the moral underpinning for science to say not merely what can be done, but what ought to be done. Only pantheism can jolt us from our long slumber to realize that pollution, mountain top removal, fracking, and a host of other extractivist assaults upon the earth are all blasphemies that can no longer be tolerated. When that day arrives we can begin to alter our path away from the looming ecological apocalypse. But time is short, brothers and sisters. We need to quickly realize that what we do to the earth, we ultimately do to ourselves.
  2. Subscriber KellyJay
    Walk your Faith
    26 Nov '17 16:55
    Originally posted by @rwingett
    Brothers and sisters, a mere two hundred years of industrial society has been sufficient to bring the world to the brink of ecological destruction. The signs of the coming apocalypse are everywhere to see: global warming, super storms, rising sea levels, droughts, enormous wildfires, pollution, habitat loss, accelerating species extinction, all coupled wit ...[text shortened]... sisters. We need to quickly realize that what we do to the earth, we ultimately do to ourselves.
    So you are asking for something to be created between the ears of man, to spin to make
    you feel good about the way things are, and the way they are going to be, you have itching
    ears?
  3. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    26 Nov '17 17:05
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    So you are asking for something to be created between the ears of man, to spin to make
    you feel good about the way things are, and the way they are going to be, you have itching
    ears?
    How does your religion differ from that? At least we know the earth exists. As our lives depend upon it remaining habitable, regarding it as sacred would seem to be entirely appropriate.
  4. 26 Nov '17 17:45 / 1 edit
    Welcome back rwingett
  5. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    26 Nov '17 17:48
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    Welcome back rwingett
    Just visiting while I play a tournament.
  6. 26 Nov '17 17:50
    Originally posted by @rwingett
    Just visiting while I play a tournament.
    I enjoyed your “Jesus was a socialist” challenge several years back.
  7. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    26 Nov '17 17:53
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    I enjoyed your “Jesus was a socialist” challenge several years back.
    It's good to know the time I spend on these finely crafted posts hasn't been for naught.
  8. Standard member black beetle
    Black Beastie
    26 Nov '17 18:27
    Originally posted by @rwingett
    It's good to know the time I spend on these finely crafted posts hasn't been for naught.
    I remember you alright, rwingett; welcome back and be well
  9. Standard member black beetle
    Black Beastie
    26 Nov '17 18:31
    Originally posted by @rwingett
    Brothers and sisters, a mere two hundred years of industrial society has been sufficient to bring the world to the brink of ecological destruction. The signs of the coming apocalypse are everywhere to see: global warming, super storms, rising sea levels, droughts, enormous wildfires, pollution, habitat loss, accelerating species extinction, all coupled wit ...[text shortened]... sisters. We need to quickly realize that what we do to the earth, we ultimately do to ourselves.
    No religion.
    Vast emptiness, nothing holy
  10. Subscriber KellyJay
    Walk your Faith
    26 Nov '17 18:44
    Originally posted by @rwingett
    How does your religion differ from that? At least we know the earth exists. As our lives depend upon it remaining habitable, regarding it as sacred would seem to be entirely appropriate.
    God's part in it. There are plenty of things that are written not pleasing to my ears, but are
    true nonetheless. Are you not asking for a man made religion to make yourself feel good
    about the way things are, and for a man made remedy to solve the problems that are
    here?

    So you are seeking something from between the ears of man, not because you are not
    getting an ear full of those now, but you want to anoint these new/old ideas and turn them
    into a religion for whatever purpose you think that will fulfill.
  11. Subscriber KellyJay
    Walk your Faith
    26 Nov '17 18:46
    Originally posted by @rwingett
    Brothers and sisters, a mere two hundred years of industrial society has been sufficient to bring the world to the brink of ecological destruction. The signs of the coming apocalypse are everywhere to see: global warming, super storms, rising sea levels, droughts, enormous wildfires, pollution, habitat loss, accelerating species extinction, all coupled wit ...[text shortened]... sisters. We need to quickly realize that what we do to the earth, we ultimately do to ourselves.
    Before I forget, nice debating you again!
  12. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    26 Nov '17 19:43
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    God's part in it. There are plenty of things that are written not pleasing to my ears, but are
    true nonetheless. Are you not asking for a man made religion to make yourself feel good
    about the way things are, and for a man made remedy to solve the problems that are
    here?

    So you are seeking something from between the ears of man, not because you are n ...[text shortened]... e new/old ideas and turn them
    into a religion for whatever purpose you think that will fulfill.
    All religions are man made. Yours is no exception. But I am not asking for pantheism to be adopted in order to make anyone feel good about the way things are. Quite the opposite. It's to make them outraged at the way things are. The solution to our problems, if there is one, will be man made, as pantheism does not posit any supernatural beings to solve them for us.
  13. Subscriber KellyJay
    Walk your Faith
    26 Nov '17 19:51
    Originally posted by @rwingett
    All religions are man made. Yours is no exception. But I am not asking for pantheism to be adopted in order to make anyone feel good about the way things are. Quite the opposite. It's to make them outraged at the way things are. The solution to our problems, if there is one, will be man made, as pantheism does not posit any supernatural beings to solve them for us.
    So you say. That doesn't make it true. Man made and one with God in it would have God's
    finger prints on it in ways that man couldn't come up with on his own, nor would it glorify
    man in such away that puts man equal too God. All of the man made religions have man's
    efforts central to the glory of man, making man worthy after a sort, or just plain denying
    the need for such things. The one with God, God does not share His glory, nor does He
    permit it to be usurped by man in any fashion or shape. So man's efforts to be good
    enough always fail, man working towards being worthy always fail, man being the center
    of all that is God's always fails, it is God's kingdom, not ours.
  14. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    26 Nov '17 20:30
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    So you say. That doesn't make it true. Man made and one with God in it would have God's
    finger prints on it in ways that man couldn't come up with on his own, nor would it glorify
    man in such away that puts man equal too God. All of the man made religions have man's
    efforts central to the glory of man, making man worthy after a sort, or just plain denyi ...[text shortened]... ys fail, man being the center
    of all that is God's always fails, it is God's kingdom, not ours.
    Nobody cares. The question is why has Christianity done such a poor job opposing environmental degradation? And whether pantheism would do a better job.
  15. Standard member vivify
    rain
    26 Nov '17 20:56
    Originally posted by @rwingett
    Nobody cares. The question is why has Christianity done such a poor job opposing environmental degradation? And whether pantheism would do a better job.
    You answered your own question in the OP: it's because Christianity is an ancient, "pre-industrial" belief system, and one that needs to be replaced with a belief system that blends seamlessly with science, unlike Christianity.

    As for pantheism, it probably would do a better job with the environment.