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Originally posted by checkbaiterthankyou my friend, you took the words right out of my mouth, yes its a matter of punctuation, did the Christ go to paradise on that same day? no for the scriptures tell us, that he fulfilled the sign of Jonah, in that just as Jonah remained in the belly of the large fish three days, so the Christ would remain dead for three days and three nights and only then rise,
Actually, this verse is misinterpreted. Any student of the bible knows that punctuation was added by a translator. The verse you refer to is this...
Luke 23:43
43And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."
(NAS)
Now, if you place the comma after Today, you have a whole different meaning. It should read thus. to God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
(KJV)
Then as an answer to him some of the scribes and Pharisees said: "Teacher, we want to see a sign from you." In reply he said to them: "A wicked and adulterous generation keeps on seeking for a sign, but no sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah the prophet. For just as Jonah was in the belly of the huge fish three days and three nights, so the Son of man will be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights." - Matthew 12:38-40
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou got it right Bro...🙂
thankyou my friend, you took the words right out of my mouth, yes its a matter of punctuation, did the Christ go to paradise on that same day? no for the scriptures tell us, that he fulfilled the sign of Jonah, in that just as Jonah remained in the belly of the large fish three days, so the Christ would remain dead for three days and three nights an ...[text shortened]... on of man will be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights." - Matthew 12:38-40
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Originally posted by SwissGambitSo you are only interested in "legally" saving souls? I guess going to prison just ain't worth it, eh? You are more scared of the state than you are Almighty God. LOL. Then again, maybe the state will legalize infantiside. After all, if China can do it so can we. 😉
Though they beat me and cuff me and imprison me, I shall endure in the cause of righteousness. And write lots of letters from jail. I will be like the 2nd coming of the Apostle Paul.
No, seriously, I'll just practice as an abortion doctor. I can save as many souls as I want legally that way.
Originally posted by twhiteheadThe word of God is forever binding. Nothing can change the word of God. If we make it to living on Pluto, we will still have God's word meaning the same thing as it did whether 2000 years ago or 5000 years in the future, regardless of how much man "thinks" he is too sophisticated for God.
And does your theology ever change to match the new research, or does the research always end up confirming your theology?
[b]What Jesus said to the thief next to him is not a parable. It was a straight-up statement. Jesus was telling the repetant thief (sinner) that he would be with Jesus THAT DAY after they had both expired on the cross. Plain str ...[text shortened]... is its time related to earths? If it is 12:00 UTC on earth is it the same time in heaven?
With all due rspect, your second statement is gobbledegoop specuation that has no relevance in what Jesus said to the thief and the promise that He made regarding being in paradise immediately after death.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt shhttp://thepoint.gm/africa/gambia/article/2008/8/27/for-all-have-sinned
ummm i dont know if you noticed, but errr, these words are actually in the Bible, they may even be in your bible, should you care to dust it off and open it up😉
It shouldn’t surprise anyone to hear or learn that in essence we human beings are sinners. In the Book of Romans, Paul, the Apostle, states categorically that “everyone has sinned and is far away from God’s saving presence.” (Romans 3:23) What that means is that under normal circumstances, we are not worthy to come before God’s presence because of His purity and holiness. God would not come into contact with sinners or take delight in sin. We ought to have been banished from His holy presence because of our unlawful acts. “Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact sin is lawlessness.” (1 John 3:4) which makes everyone of us lawbreakers.
King David in Psalm 51 had declared: “I have been evil from the day I was born; from the time I was conceived I have been sinful.” (verse 5) It would seem like we have been caught up in this vicious circle of sin as an inheritance from our ancestors - Adam and Eve. It now runs in the blood.
Everyone born into this world, with the exception of our Lord Jesus, has sinned: Prophet Isaiah had prophesied of Him: “He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth.” (Isaiah 53:9) John the Apostle wrote; “And in Him there is no sin.” (1 John 3:5) We sin in thought, in word, and in deed. We sin when we do what is wrong in the sight of God - by commission; and by omission, when we fail to do what is right.
I even posted the source just for you...😵
Originally posted by checkbaiterMan, you are a magician and a hair-splitter to boot. My Bible, New International Version Study Bible states it the way I posted it. You are also forgetting that Jesus was also God, so He could have been in paradise while He awaited His disciples to open the tomb and before He appeared to His followers and other people. Jesus never went into the ground but was entoobed. Satan would have all believe what you are stating because it would refute God's written word. Nice try, but you lose.
Actually, this verse is misinterpreted. Any student of the bible knows that punctuation was added by a translator. The verse you refer to is this...
Luke 23:43
43And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."
(NAS)
Now, if you place the comma after Today, you have a whole different meaning. It should read thus. ...[text shortened]... to God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
(KJV)
Originally posted by dystoniacWhat is that in reply to? Why did you avoid the actual question?
The word of God is forever binding. Nothing can change the word of God. If we make it to living on Pluto, we will still have God's word meaning the same thing as it did whether 2000 years ago or 5000 years in the future, regardless of how much man "thinks" he is too sophisticated for God.
Originally posted by dystoniacYes quite, and i thankyou for it, but what is the point that you are making, for I give credence to everything that you state in this post at least, yes we are sinners, yes we were born or conceived into sin from our first parents Adam and Eve, but the point is, that sinning simply is imperfection, missing the mark of Gods perfect standards and while in a state of imperfection, this is simply not possible, therefore Christ by virtue of his sacrificial act, uses the 'value', of that sacrifice to make atonement for our sins and thus we can be 'declared righteous', before God, not in the absolute sense for we are yet imperfect and prone to aberration, but simply that we can have a 'relationship', with God based on this arrangement. He becomes (Christ that is) an everlasting high priest who goes before the 'face', of God on our behalf and makes atonement for us, now in the case of a child, an unborn one at that, although conceived in imperfection through their parents, they have absolutely no concept of these things and will wait, like others, for the resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous, which, as yet, is in the future!
It shhttp://thepoint.gm/africa/gambia/article/2008/8/27/for-all-have-sinned
It shouldn’t surprise anyone to hear or learn that in essence we human beings are sinners. In the Book of Romans, Paul, the Apostle, states categorically that “everyone has sinned and is far away from God’s saving presence.” (Romans 3:23) What that means is that under normal ci ...[text shortened]... nd by omission, when we fail to do what is right.
I even posted the source just for you...😵
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Originally posted by dystoniacLol, Jesus was God????? can God die?, does God pray to himself?, has anyone seen God and yet lived? was God in the heart of the earth, dead for three days and three nights, my goodness dystoniac, think about what you are saying here my friend, as as for our esteemed colleges comments with regard to the scripture on paradise, they are sound, well established and everyone knows how the punctuation may be altered to suit the needs of Biblical translators, and it is no surprise that the translators of the NIV should choose to try to establish their own credentials in translation in this regard. perhaps you may also like to look at others. Also your reference to Christ having being in the tomb contradicts what is established in the Word of God, for it is well understood that he MUST DIE, it is you who are going beyond what is written in the Word of God and trying to establish your own criteria, think again!
Man, you are a magician and a hair-splitter to boot. My Bible, New International Version Study Bible states it the way I posted it. You are also forgetting that Jesus was also God, so He could have been in paradise while He awaited His disciples to open the tomb and before He appeared to His followers and other people. Jesus never went into the ground b ...[text shortened]... lieve what you are stating because it would refute God's written word. Nice try, but you lose.
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Originally posted by whodeyOnly an idiot would use illegal means while legal means are readily available. I'm willing to go to jail IF they ban abortion.
So you are only interested in "legally" saving souls? I guess going to prison just ain't worth it, eh? You are more scared of the state than you are Almighty God. LOL. Then again, maybe the state will legalize infantiside. After all, if China can do it so can we. 😉
Although I will try like hell to avoid going - if I am locked up, then I can save no more souls. 😞
You forget...I'm not doing this for God. I'm doing it for the people whose souls are in jeopardy!
Originally posted by dystoniacI lose?...LOL...I didn't know it was a contest. You are entitled to your opinions. When I said He went in the ground, in the tomb, means the same thing. The form of burial is irrelevant. He was dead 3 days and 3 nights. He could not be in "Paradise" and dead at the same time...
Man, you are a magician and a hair-splitter to boot. My Bible, New International Version Study Bible states it the way I posted it. You are also forgetting that Jesus was also God, so He could have been in paradise while He awaited His disciples to open the tomb and before He appeared to His followers and other people. Jesus never went into the ground b ...[text shortened]... lieve what you are stating because it would refute God's written word. Nice try, but you lose.
I don't believe Jesus is God either. My bible says He is the Son of God. He is Lord, but not God. God has given Him all authority in heaven and earth. God loves His Son who always did the Fathers will. It still does not make Him God....
Originally posted by SwissGambitI don't get it, why only the unborn and not the new borns?
Only an idiot would use illegal means while legal means are readily available. I'm willing to go to jail IF they ban abortion.
Although I will try like hell to avoid going - if I am locked up, then I can save no more souls. 😞
You forget...I'm not doing this for God. I'm doing it for the people whose souls are in jeopardy!
Originally posted by checkbaiterWhat religion are you, because it doesn't sound Christian. Maybe one of those mega-church members? God consists of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, or what some refer to as the Trinity. Jesus was God incarnate. I know it's hard to fathom, but it is true. Now, go ask your preacher, and if he says that I am wrong, turn around and run like the devil is after you.
I lose?...LOL...I didn't know it was a contest. You are entitled to your opinions. When I said He went in the ground, in the tomb, means the same thing. The form of burial is irrelevant. He was dead 3 days and 3 nights. He could not be in "Paradise" and dead at the same time...
I don't believe Jesus is God either. My bible says He is the Son of God. He ...[text shortened]... earth. God loves His Son who always did the Fathers will. It still does not make Him God....
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI have thought again. Good luck in your new age spiritualism...
Lol, Jesus was God????? can God die?, does God pray to himself?, has anyone seen God and yet lived? was God in the heart of the earth, dead for three days and three nights, my goodness dystoniac, think about what you are saying here my friend, as as for our esteemed colleges comments with regard to the scripture on paradise, they are sound, well est ...[text shortened]... eyond what is written in the Word of God and trying to establish your own criteria, think again!