Originally posted by KellyJayProblem is 'we're' not permanent and all we have and will ever have is finite opinion or finite circumstances. 'Absolute' therefore is a party we're not invited to.
Absolute for me means it is permanent and does not require opinion or circumstances to
be just right. That may not be how the rest of creation views it, but it is how I do. Reality
or circumstances can change for anything else, opinions can change for anything else,
and with it how things are viewed and or defined. Absolute will not require anything else
for it to be who or what it is.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkAs I said in one of the other threads: "It is right now the case that it is raining where I live. Tomorrow it may or may not be raining here. But it will not be the case tomorrow that it did not rain here today."
And the fact that he was human today, can that fact ever change?
Originally posted by KellyJay
Absolute for me means it is permanent and does not require opinion or circumstances to be just right. That may not be how the rest of creation views it, but it is how I do. Reality or circumstances can change for anything else, opinions can change for anything else, and with it how things are viewed and or defined. Absolute will not require anything else for it to be who or what it is.
Absolute for me means it is permanent ....
So Jesus lived, then he died but then he rose again, but then he went to heaven where like Schroedinger's Cat he might be classified as alive or not depending on your opinion of what constitutes being alive as against what constitutes being in heaven and by what means a physical body might be physically transported to "heaven" and what sort of a place "heaven" might be if the physical body can in fact go there. So that sequence of radical changes cannot fit your definition of an absolute truth.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeAbsolute truth is a "party" we are invited to. That is what the whole Bible is about - the absolute reality that man is invited to partake in.
Problem is 'we're' not permanent and all we have and will ever have is finite opinion or finite circumstances. 'Absolute' therefore is a party we're not invited to.
Not all will respond to the invitation.
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Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeI do not like to cheapen the matter by referring to "party".
What if a chap gets a lot of party invitations? Can he be blamed for not knowing which is the best party to go to?
But since Christ spoke of salvation as a dinner feast, I suppose it is permissible.
As to your question, I have come to the point of putting no confidence in thinking technicalities of all types we might imagine will excuse us from not believing in the Son of God.
You have heard something of God calling you to repent and believe in Christ the Savior. I would not advise you to spend your like imagining that you are someone else.
I would not advise to imagine you are somewhere else.
Someone else's situation is not your situation. And all exercise of clever imagination to make hypothetical scenarios about what your situation could be are irrelevant before God.
Don't put any stock in your ability to imagine hypothetical circumstances which are not your circumstance. Rather be thankful that His offer of salvation has come to you and just receive Jesus Christ as Lord trusting in Him.
Again, your situation and circumstance is not that of someone else you think you have the ability to surmise.
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Originally posted by finnegan
So Jesus lived,
Yes. And did He EVER. What a life! He lived a perfect human life. He was what God meant by man.
The four gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke and John record the most important point of this life lived.
And then He told the disciples - "Because I live you also shall live."
He live for us. And He lived that He might live again on the earth, but this time within those who receive Him as the "life giving Spirit".
" The first man Adam, became a living soul, the last Adam became a life giving Spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45)
The life giving Spirit, the Holy Spirit is the receivable Christ. This is the 'pneumatic" Christ, the Christ who can be distributed into millions of people. The life giving Spirit is the Jesus Christ in a form in which He can enter into the innermost kernel of our being and live again blended and in union with us.
" I will not leave you as orphans; I am coming to you. Yet a little whole and the world beholds Me no longer, but you behold Me; because I live, you also shall live.
In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you." (John 14:18-20)
then he died but then he rose again,
. He died a redemptive death taking upon Himself the judgment due the sinners of the world. Yes. In utter victory Jesus overcame death.\
Do you really think this story came out of the imagination of human beings? i don't.
but then he went to heaven where
He has ascended to the highest peak in the universe. He has ascended physically. But as I just pointed out "the last Adam became a life giving Spirit".
In this interim time of His physical absence He secures a people living in Him as "life giving Spirit" for a testimony. He secures for His eternal purpose both quantity of people living through Him, but even more quality of those maturing in this way of living.
All that stuff about Schroedinger's Cat has nothing to do with this.
Paul was a pioneer in this life of living in the sphere of Christ the life giving Spirit. And he tells us for him to live is Christ. He also says to the Christ our life will appear and we with Him in glory.
" If therefore you were raised together with Christ, seek the things wich are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God.
Set you mind on the things which are above, not on the things which are on the earth.
For you died, and your life has been hidden with Christ in God. When Christ our life is manifested, then you also will be manifested with Him in glory." ( Col. 3:1-4)
The hidden glory within will burst out to be the out shinning glory in some proportion to how much we have lived Christ. Christ our life will appear and we will appear with Him in the glorious expression of the Divine Being.
like Schroedinger's Cat he might be classified as alive or not depending on your opinion of what constitutes being alive as against what constitutes being in heaven and by what means a physical body might be physically transported to "heaven" and what sort of a place "heaven" might be if the physical body can in fact go there. So that sequence of radical changes cannot fit your definition of an absolute truth.
Christ is a man still and alive still. And He functions as a High Priest interceding for those who receive Him as life giving Spirit. He lives perpetually to intercede for them to His Father.
This intercession of our High Priest Christ is very important. And through it He will save us to the uttermost. He always lives to intercede for us.
"But He [Christ], because He abides forever, has His priesthood unalterable. Hence also he is able to save to the uttermost those who come forward to God through Him, since He lives always to intercede for them." (Hebrews 7:24,25)
He lives eternally to eternally intercede to the Father on our behalf as believers.
While He is located in heaven interceding for us He is also mysteriously located WITHIN saved people. So Romans speaks of Christ in two locations:
1.) At the right hand of God interceding for us as a Great High Priest with an indestructible life and ministry:
" Who shall bring a charge against God's chosen ones? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns ? "
sonshouse? googlefudge? twhitehead? FMF? Rajk999?, finnegan? me? who??
"Who is he who condemns? It is Christ Jesus who died and, rather who was raised,
WHO IS ALSO AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, who also intercedes for us."
2.) In the same chapter Christ is located within His believers.
" ... the Spirit of God dwells in you. Yet if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ he is not of Him.
But if Christ is in you ..." (See Rom. 8:9,10)
This is too marvelous. Christ lives eternally to intercede for those whom God has justified. And Christ as the life giving Holy Spirit lives in those for whom He intercedes that He may be their life.
So we have also this wonderful phrase "Christ in you, the hope of glory."
Since time is of the essence, the sooner we get saved and let this Christ begin to grow and develop in us for the day of outward manifestation, the better,
" To whom God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the nations, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory." ( Col. 1:27)