17 Jul 13
Originally posted by googlefudgeI was being facetious. However, the fact that you are in serious trouble and heading for hellfire is no joke. Why don't you seek the truth by study of the Holy Bible. Seek out some Christians to study with so you can ask questions and get feedback and see what their idea of being Christian is all about. It may be difficult to find real Christians at first, but if you really seek God, you will find Him and Christians to fellowship with and you will not regret the day you started looking.
Yeah... That's just pathetic.
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17 Jul 13
Originally posted by googlefudge"simply unjustified by the available evidence."
No, I am still 'attacking faith as [you] experience it'.
Any belief that is not "justified by the evidence" and is thus believed on faith and I oppose
and argue against that.
Your belief need not be absolute, simply unjustified by the available evidence.
As there is not a single shred of evidence for the existence of the bible god then any positive
belief that it exists is unjustified and held based on faith as I define it.
what is enough for you? if one loves his spouse, what is enough evidence for the other to "know" of his love, or simply believe, justified as you say?
"Your belief need not be absolute, simply unjustified by the available evidence."
"We" do have evidence. someone at some point saw someone named jesus get born, live, preach, do some funky miracles, die and resurrected. is this evidence enough to hold in court? no. is it enough for one to make a scientific paper on it? no. it is enough however to spark a belief system that is held in some form by over a billion people.
someone else lived in asia and became the buddha. the profed Muhammad came and started islam. there is some basis to all religions and that is enough to sustain faith, just as your wife (any wife) caring for you when you're sick is enough to sustain belief she loves you
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17 Jul 13
Originally posted by RJHindswhat makes you think googlefudge is heading for hellfire, are you qualified to make that judgement? are you heading for hellfire?
I was being facetious. However, the fact that you are in serious trouble and heading for hellfire is no joke. Why don't you seek the truth by study of the Holy Bible. Seek out some Christians to study with so you can ask questions and get feedback and see what their idea of being Christian is all about. It may be difficult to find real Christians at firs ...[text shortened]... tians to fellowship with and you will not regret the day you started looking.
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17 Jul 13
Originally posted by stellspalfieheh, you're humoring him.
what makes you think googlefudge is heading for hellfire, are you qualified to make that judgement? are you heading for hellfire?
someone who has decided to sign his posts with "the instructor" to better illustrate how much he cares about our opinions, any opinion that is against his.
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17 Jul 13
Originally posted by Zahlanzia husband has first hand evidence that his wife cares for him. he sees her everyday and builds a huge catalog he can refer to, to support his assertion that she cares. his friends and family also see their relationship and can help verify and corroborate what he sees and feels.
"simply unjustified by the available evidence."
what is enough for you? if one loves his spouse, what is enough evidence for the other to "know" of his love, or simply believe, justified as you say?
"Your belief need not be absolute, simply unjustified by the available evidence."
"We" do have evidence. someone at some point saw someone named jesus ge ...[text shortened]... (any wife) caring for you when you're sick is enough to sustain belief she loves you
we have zero first hand evidence for the birth of jesus or any of the things that happen in his life. reading about jesus's exploits and calling them evidence is no more credible than reading about achillies in the illiad and believing that he was real and also the son of a god.
if may be enough to spark belief in some people. but it shouldnt.
17 Jul 13
Originally posted by stellspalfieshe could simply take care for him until the day the evil aliens that control her give her the order to kill. anyone can have hidden agenda. ultimately, you do not know. not in the way you know that hidrogen has one proton in his nucleus.
a husband has first hand evidence that his wife cares for him. he sees her everyday and builds a huge catalog he can refer to, to support his assertion that she cares. his friends and family also see their relationship and can help verify and corroborate what he sees and feels.
we have zero first hand evidence for the birth of jesus or any of the thi ...[text shortened]... and also the son of a god.
if may be enough to spark belief in some people. but it shouldnt.
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17 Jul 13
Originally posted by Zahlanzievil aliens is a possibility, but because of the lack of evidence its highly unlikely. however there is a mountain of evidence suggesting she does love him.
she could simply take care for him until the day the evil aliens that control her give her the order to kill. anyone can have hidden agenda. ultimately, you do not know. not in the way you know that hidrogen has one proton in his nucleus.
the logic regarding evil aliens could also be used for the hydrogen proton. maybe evil aliens have made fake hydrogen and everything we know about hydrogen atoms is false. its so unlikely as there is zero evidence that it would be silly to believe in the evil alien, hydrogen theory. its best (especially when it comes to extraordinary claims) to only believe in what we have solid evidence for.
17 Jul 13
Originally posted by stellspalfiethere is a slight difference between a human being having hidden motives and faking a behaviour pattern and aliens changing all the hidrogen in the universe. which is irrelevant anyway because we don't care if the hidrogen ever had two protons (we know something has two protons it is called helium). we just know that hidrogen has properties, properties that do not change, and that it has one proton in its nucleus.
evil aliens is a possibility, but because of the lack of evidence its highly unlikely. however there is a mountain of evidence suggesting she does love him.
the logic regarding evil aliens could also be used for the hydrogen proton. maybe evil aliens have made fake hydrogen and everything we know about hydrogen atoms is false. its so unlikely as the ...[text shortened]... ially when it comes to extraordinary claims) to only believe in what we have solid evidence for.
"only believe in what we have solid evidence for."\
yes, when it comes to science. otherwise, we are willing to accept insuficient evidence or even none at all all the time. what evidence do you have that a monet painting is "good"? why would you care? if it makes you happy, it is good.
17 Jul 13
Originally posted by ZahlanziAnd I see no refutation of that statement by this so-called self styled pathetic shadow of 'the instructor'.
heh, you're humoring him.
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17 Jul 13
Originally posted by sonhouseseriously, you are still surprised that he doesn't refute his opponents? that when he tries to reply, his posts reek of ignorance and mockery?
And I see no refutation of that statement by this so-called self styled pathetic shadow of 'the instructor'.
can't you find someone else to discuss spirituality other than this wacko? or is it the fact that he is so low on the intellectual ladder that he actually is the ground beneath it, and it makes you feel good about yourself "debating" with someone who seems to be barely able to remember breathing?
are you all holding your breath waiting for him to challenge you intellectually? are you disappointed and surprised he doesn't?
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17 Jul 13
Originally posted by Zahlanzii was actually comparing aliens faking hydrogen with your assertion that aliens could be controlling a wife, not comparing them to a wife having hidden agendas.
there is a slight difference between a human being having hidden motives and faking a behaviour pattern and aliens changing all the hidrogen in the universe. which is irrelevant anyway because we don't care if the hidrogen ever had two protons (we know something has two protons it is called helium). we just know that hidrogen has properties, properties tha ...[text shortened]... ve that a monet painting is "good"? why would you care? if it makes you happy, it is good.
aliens controlling things has zero evidence. a wife having hidden agendas is something that happens frequently (as does husbands with hidden agendas) so we do have a presidence and evidence that it can happen.
as claiming a wife cares for a husband is not an extraordinary claim, its not unreasonable for a husband to believe it. even if there is a possibility that he is wrong.
as i mentioned before the events in the illiad were thought of as historical, they were passed by word of mouth until the day homer wrote them down. some historians still think it was based on real events. the bible is no more true or false then the illiad. there could well have been a troy, just as there could be a jesus. a seige could have happened, just as jesus could have spread the word of god............there is not a lot of evidence for these things, but as they are not extraordinary claims its not such a big deal. but when people start changing the laws of physics and throwing zeus and god performing magic into the mix things are getting so extraordinary that it would be crazy to believe them just because its written down, we should demand physical evidence and proof.