Originally posted by Rajk999
By all means just read a piece of the story. Obviously you prefer 'death-bed' doctrines. For that you work you have to die right after proclaiming your faith in Christ, like the thief on the cross did.

Since you seem to be alive [barely 😀], I think I should warn you that reading a bit further Paul says this to prospective Gentile Christians;

[i]For i ...[text shortened]... mned when you claim that you do not have to obey Christ. You are in the Administration of Grace.

The exhortation is to two classes of people: (1) those who are false professors, in order to show them that their lives demonstrate that they do not truly know the Lord; and (2) Christians who are living in disobedience, to warn them that if they continue to dishonor their Lord He will severely discipline them. The latter could be "cut off" from fellowship with other believers, or from this life.

Peter completes his argument in the passage to which you refer (v. 22) with these words: "But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire." That seems to make it clear that he has been referring to those who claim to be Christians but are not. He is not referring to "sheep" who truly belong to the Good Shepherd, but to "dogs" and "pigs" who got in among the flock for a time but didn't belong and reverted to the behavior dictated by their unregenerate nature.

The Corinthian church was rife with division, disorder, debate, immorality, and sacrilege. Never is there a hint in Paul's epistles to them, however, that such sins had cost any of them their salvation. They were disciplined as Christians: "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth...for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?" (Heb:12:6-8

Some who gorged themselves and became drunk at the Lord's table dishonored the Lord to such an extent, not "discerning the Lord's body," that they were cut off in death (1 Cor:11:27-34

The man who had "his father's wife" — a terrible sin — didn't lose his salvation thereby but as a brother in Christ was cut off from fellowship in discipline (1 Cor:5:1-13
then later he was restored (2 Cor:2:4-11

Originally posted by checkbaiter
You are really thick...who is he talking to? what is it to [b] UNLESS they continue in Gods goodness
It is trying to convince these people to receive Jesus Christ.[/b]

Originally posted by checkbaiter
The exhortation is to two classes of people: (1) those who are false professors, in order to show them that their lives demonstrate that they do not truly know the Lord; and (2) Christians who are living in disobedience, to warn them that if they continue to dishonor their Lord He will severely discipline them. The latter could be "cut off" from fellowsh ...[text shortened]... as cut off from fellowship in discipline (1 Cor:5:1-13
then later he was restored (2 Cor:2:4-11

Originally posted by checkbaiter
The exhortation is to two classes of people: (1) those who are false professors, in order to show them that their lives demonstrate that they do not truly know the Lord; and (2) Christians who are living in disobedience, to warn them that if they continue to dishonor their Lord He will severely discipline them. The latter could be "cut off" from fellowsh ...[text shortened]... as cut off from fellowship in discipline (1 Cor:5:1-13
then later he was restored (2 Cor:2:4-11

Originally posted by checkbaiter
The exhortation is to two classes of people: (1) those who are false professors, in order to show them that their lives demonstrate that they do not truly know the Lord; and (2) Christians who are living in disobedience, to warn them that if they continue to dishonor their Lord He will severely discipline them. The latter could be "cut off" from fellowsh ...[text shortened]... as cut off from fellowship in discipline (1 Cor:5:1-13
then later he was restored (2 Cor:2:4-11

Originally posted by Rajk999
Pauls first letter to the Corinthians. Chapter 3 describes 3 classes of people:

1. Those who work hard and receive a reward + eternal life [verse 14]
2. Those who did not work hard and will receive no reward but will still get eternal life [verse 15]
3. Those who defile themselves and whom God will DESTROY. [verse 17]

These three groups match ex ...[text shortened]... KJV)

It must be hard to have to twist all the passages that condemn your false doctrines.[/b]

Originally posted by KellyJay
So when we talk you go on and on about not knowing who is saved, but here you don't
have issue one talking about damnation. If you can take this stand with "some Christians"
why do you avoid taking it with all others?

Originally posted by Rajk999
Are you really that dense? I am responding to false claims made by a Christian. What are the 'others' ? Did 'others' make any false claims?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I'm pointing out to you that you refuse to acknowledge the same truth when it comes to
unbelievers as you do the "some Christians" the same truth applies, yet for one group
you without judgment the other you are very happy to accuse.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Those Gentiles [called the wild olive tree] who have accepted Jesus are grafted on to the natural olive tree [Israel].

Those Gentiles who have not accepted Jesus are not grafted on.

Those who can be cut off have already accpeted Jesus, hence the reason why they could be cut off.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
No, they are not Gentiles who have accepted Jesus. Paul is saying that Israel was cut off because of unbelief and if the Gentiles do not have genuine faith, they will be cut off as well.
But you with your blinders on, go right for works and hell. You have a sick religiosity my friend.

Originally posted by Rajk999
There is no other group to discuss anything with, is there?

Rajk999, I am tending to ignore from now on. But I will briefly respond to this.

Verse 17 is crystal clear .. If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. (1 Corinthians 3:17 KJV)

" Therefore leaving the word of the beginning of Christ, let us be brought on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith in God, Of the teaching of baptisms and of the laying on of hands, of the resurrection o the dead and of eternal judgment.

And this we will do if God permits." (Heb. 6:1,2)

Now, for others who wander about the "destroy" of First Corinthians 3:17 it need not ONLY mean eternal perdition.

"If anyone destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him; for the temple of God is holy, and such are you."

"Do you not know that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

If anyone destroys the temple of God ...

[ IE. by attempting to build her with the fallen unholy things of the flesh and the natural man, and thus marring or defiling it, he will find that he will suffer loss in the destruction of those things. Yet he himself will be saved yet so as through fire],

... God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and such are you."

"For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the understanding of those who understand I will set aside." (v.19)