Archangel Michael

Originally posted by Proper Knob
[b]I hope you do not consider me arrogant by saying I also have received help from the Holy Spirit in it's understanding.

Not arrogant. More along the lines of bonkers.[/b]

Not arrogant. More along the lines of bonkers.

This is not that unusual a statement as it seems.

The Holy Spirit can "help" someone in fellowship, in learning from another Christian, from a teacher, from prayer or studying prayerfully alone or with others.

In other words, on its face, such an expression does not to me mean another person was not involved.

I do not agree with totally Preterist interpretations of prophecy. But I don't intend to get into a long debate on it with a Christian here. My opinion is that the 70th week of Daniel is the last seven years of this age before the millennial kingdom.

I think that is accurate. Others differ. They have my respect as long as Christ is exalted.

Originally posted by bbarr
By 'two thousand and sixty days' I assume you mean 'one thousand, two hundred and sixty days'. Right? Anyway, I'll go back through Revelation, looking for correspondences between the earlier and later narratives. But I would appreciate it if you would take the time to address the concerns I mentioned above. Of course, take whatever time you need. This is a tough text; it reads like a schizophrenic's fever-dream, or like J.R.R. Tolkien on acid.

By 'two thousand and sixty days' I assume you mean 'one thousand, two hundred and sixty days'. Right?

Oops. You are right. Bad error on my part. Good work. " a thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth" (Rev. 11:3)

Anyway, I'll go back through Revelation, looking for correspondences between the earlier and later narratives. But I would appreciate it if you would take the time to address the concerns I mentioned above. Of course, take whatever time you need. This is a tough text; it reads like a schizophrenic's fever-dream, or like J.R.R. Tolkien on acid.

One important [edit] key to Revelation is that there is nearly nothing absolutely NEW. You must see how the symbols therein were used elsewhere in the Bible.

The Bible interprets itself. So familiarity with the other books is an important key with this last difficult book of Revelation.

But, as said, my experience is that there is a special blessing in even READING it. To read it and to keep the things in it, whether you grasp them correctly or not, will be a blessing.

The blessing is of course Jesus Christ Himself. Any exegesis is at least safe as long as it is not "exit Jesus".

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Incorrect there Ron. I don't view anyone who believes in God as bonkers, just your assertion that a Holy Spirit helped you understand a book.

Anyhow ignore me, this is an interesting thread and i shall hijack it no more.

he kicked me from his buddy list, lol. In the course of this thread i have been termed
disgusting, a devil worshipper, disowned by summydid, ignored by Jaywill (well actually
the points i made because they refute his endless drivel) and now disowned by RJH,
happy days!

Originally posted by jaywill

Not arrogant. More along the lines of bonkers.

This is not that unusual a statement as it seems.

The Holy Spirit can "help" someone in fellowship, in learning from another Christian, from a teacher, from prayer or studying prayerfully alone or with others.

In other words, on its face, such an expression does not to me mea ...[text shortened]... I think that is accurate. Others differ. They have my respect as long as Christ is exalted.

I was not defending the Preterist interpretations of prophecy. I was
just providing you with the truth as I know it, just like I provided
the truth of the Wednesday crucifixion of Christ and His human birth
at the time of the Passover.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I was not defending the Preterist interpretations of prophecy. I was
just providing you with the truth as I know it, just like I provided
the truth of the Wednesday crucifixion of Christ and His human birth
at the time of the Passover.

I was not defending the Preterist interpretations of prophecy. I was
just providing you with the truth as I know it,

You think Daniel's prophecy about the final week of the 70 is already completely fulfilled ?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
he kicked me from his buddy list, lol. In the course of this thread i have been termed
disgusting, a devil worshipper, disowned by summydid, ignored by Jaywill (well actually
the points i made because they refute his endless drivel) and now disowned by RJH,
happy days!

Not becuase of what you believe but how you communicate. Your entire modis operandi is un-Christlike.

So dont claim 'persecution becuase of Christ'.

Originally posted by jaywill

I was not defending the Preterist interpretations of prophecy. I was
just providing you with the truth as I know it,

You think Daniel's prophecy about the final week of the 70 is already completely fulfilled ?

Absolutely, It has been fulfilled in its entirety. It has nothing, whatsoever,
to do with the Great tribulation that he mentions in Daniel 12, which is also
the Great tribulation mentioned in Revelation.

Originally posted by jaywill
The title you refered to "savior of the earth and of man's woes" may be something some teacher used. I am not familiar with it.

But, I think we can expect this person to come as a solver of world economic problems for the first half of his reign. He will be someone whom the world will envy for his imposing appearance and brilliant intellect.

The "title" is something I came up with myself, to describe his role before he turns, halfway through the Tribulation, and proclaims himself to be God, requiring everyone to worship him.

The rest of what you said I take as a given. I was only asking what exact moment and reason there is, when he turns to a malevolent figure, instead of his previous sham of a benevolent figure? Remember, I'm pretty educated on the timeline of events of Revelation. This ain't my first time at this rodeo. 😛

You think it's after his "grievous head wound"? This does make sense. I'm wondering also when it occurs as a part of the timeline of other events, though, such as when Satan falls to earth, and when this "restraining" power is removed.

I'm almost sure that the "restraining" power is probably the Holy Spirit. It also makes sense that he will not be allowed to fully step into his role as AntiChrist until the restraining power is removed, and wanted to know what you thought of that idea.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Incorrect there Ron. I don't view anyone who believes in God as bonkers, just your assertion that a Holy Spirit helped you understand a book.

Anyhow ignore me, this is an interesting thread and i shall hijack it no more.

For your information, PK, it is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that starts all Christians on their way after they accept Christ's gift and ask Him to enter their lives and take His rightful place as their Savior.

I see no reason why the Holy Spirit would not continue to guide Christians in their faith.

Originally posted by jaywill
To read it and to keep the things in it,

This of course is the hard part.

So hard, in fact, that many many Christians will fail. This doesn't leave much faith for the non-Christians.

The good thing is that during the Tribulation, many non-Christians will be brought into the faith, because of the ministering of those who are left, and the "martyrs for God" mentioned in the book.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
he kicked me from his buddy list, lol. In the course of this thread i have been termed
disgusting, a devil worshipper, disowned by summydid, ignored by Jaywill (well actually
the points i made because they refute his endless drivel) and now disowned by RJH,
happy days!

If I were you in this case, I think I'd take a look at my own behavior to see what caused this division between Christians.

Because what is the common thread here? You.

Originally posted by Suzianne
If I were you in this case, I think I'd take a look at my own behavior to see what caused this division between Christians.

Because what is the common thread here? You.

Sis, the post you responded to says it all. He's overjoyed that so many people have decided to ignore him.

We all fall short of His glory, but, I still have to say, that's not even remotely Christ-like.

Originally posted by sumydid
Sis, the post you responded to says it all. He's overjoyed that so many people have decided to ignore him.

We all fall short of His glory, but, I still have to say, that's not even remotely Christ-like.

I'm guessing he'll respond similarly to Matthew 7:21-23:

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."



It won't be the first time he's claimed that all the rest of us aren't Christians, for not following his doctrines.

Originally posted by sumydid
Sis, the post you responded to says it all. He's overjoyed that so many people have decided to ignore him.

We all fall short of His glory, but, I still have to say, that's not even remotely Christ-like.

Or perhaps he feels bullied. Frankly, I find it unsettling how quickly vicious many Christians here get in conversations about theology. You're all brothers and sisters, right? I would never talk to my family that way. RC and I were having a perfectly cordial and reasonable discussion earlier. Go back and read the beginning of this thread. Where do the insults begin, and who issues them? Here's a hint: They don't start with Robbie.

Originally posted by bbarr
Or perhaps he feels bullied. Frankly, I find it unsettling how quickly vicious many Christians here get in conversations about theology. You're all brothers and sisters, right? I would never talk to my family that way. RC and I were having a perfectly cordial and reasonable discussion earlier. Go back and read the beginning of this thread. Where do the insults begin, and who issues them? Here's a hint: They don't start with Robbie.

bbarr,

(by the way, are you the congressman from georgia I wonder)

I completely understand that there are times when RC is pounced upon but it goes beyond this thread. I would expect better of you than for you to suggest that this thread would be the tell-all for who hurled what insult first.

When there is a long history involved and it becomes a convoluted chicken/egg argument as to who insulted whom first... the best thing to do is look at the common denominator.

And I think you know who that is.

As for me, I haven't been here long enough to know who started it but I don't think it matters. I look at how people act, the way they treat others, the way they speak to others. Mostly I see a calm, reasonable side, and then I see RC hurling insults, puffing himself up, and suggesting everyone is less wise and/or intelligent. This kind of behavior, whether it is in reaction to being "bullied" or not, will quickly draw a crowd in opposition.

It's fairly rudimentary. Life101 as it were.