Originally posted by @kellyjayWhat do you mean "ignore bad behaviour"? You mean forgive it when that bad behaviour is aimed at me? You mean disassociate from people who do bad things? You mean not support the application of the law when the bad things contravene it?
Whatever standard we have for good, could it ignore bad behavior and call someone good?
Originally posted by @fmfStandards of good that change are not really standards of good are they?
Moral codes make interactions between people work. Moral codes vary in terms of their formation, content, application and effect. The "standards of good" are the result of nature, nurture and communal living.
Years ago some human behavior was completely acceptable, that are not today.
Some behavior today would not have been acceptable a few years ago.
If the standard shifts to suit opinions that really isn't a standard for good as much
as it is for a code of conduct, you can get along in communal living while doing
very wicked things.
Originally posted by @kellyjayHow many times have I told you that if your religious beliefs make you want to call everybody "evil", then you should go for it. Ignore what you want. Acknowledge what you want. If you feel the need to call people "evil" - and to call yourself "evil" - nothing is stopping you.
The standard of good you think can ignore things that are wrong, bad, harmful, shameful, unloving, uncaring?
Originally posted by @fmfNo I'm actually trying to not to put anything on you in this conversation!
What do you mean "ignore bad behaviour"? You mean forgive it when that bad behaviour is aimed at me? You mean disassociate from people who do bad things? You mean not support the application of the law when the bad things contravene it?
It isn't about you and me it is about the standard for good.
I can accept things thinking they are good and run with them only later to find out oops,
this was really bad. You could do the same, not trying to put anything on you or me with
this, but 'good' has a very powerful definition that shouldn't be ignored if we are going to
attempt to call ourselves that.
The standard of "Good" can it accept bad behavior, can it ignore bad behavior, can it be
called "Good" if it did?
My point is that it cannot, so when I look at my life I have to acknowledge my short
comings, my flaws many of which you see very clearly. That said, I know I'm not good!
Originally posted by @kellyjayOf course they are. What's wrong with "change"? If Iranian people push homosexuals off rooftops to their death on the pavement below and doing so is justified by their belief in the Abrahamic God ~ and then later they "change" and stop doing that because it's not seen as "good" anymore, that's a good thing surely?
Standards of good that change are not really standards of good are they?
Originally posted by @fmfCultural codes of conduct are not the same thing as "good", those are just the way things
Of course they are. What's wrong with "change"? If Iranian people push homosexuals off rooftops to their death on the pavement below and doing so is justified by their belief in the Abrahamic God ~ and then later they "change" and stop doing that because it's not seen as "good" anymore, that's a good thing surely?
are done around there.
Originally posted by @kellyjayThe human condition is something of great complexity and diversity. This includes the fact that it changes.
Some behavior today would not have been acceptable a few years ago.
If the standard shifts to suit opinions that really isn't a standard for good as much as it is for a code of conduct, you can get along in communal living while doing very wicked things.
Originally posted by @fmfStop focusing on each of us and think about 'good' if we spend time comparing ourselves
Then why do you keep referring to what you see as my "bad" or "not good" behaviour post after post after post?
to our selves that isn't good, that is just us not being as bad as the next guy.
Originally posted by @kellyjayMorality is a guide for interacting with other people. The content and reasoning behind these guides varies from person to person and from culture to culture and from era to era.
Cultural codes of conduct are not the same thing as "good", those are just the way things
are done around there.
Originally posted by @kellyjayYou keep mentioning my "behaviour" on this forum to make your supposed 'point' about me not being a basically good person. I have not been talking about your "behaviour" on this forum. I have simply been taking your repeated assertion that you are "evil" at face value.
Stop focusing on each of us and think about 'good' if we spend time comparing ourselves
to our selves that isn't good, that is just us not being as bad as the next guy.