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Are people basically good?

Are people basically good?

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Originally posted by @fmf
You keep mentioning my "behaviour" on this forum to make your supposed 'point' about me not being a basically good person. I have not been talking about your "behaviour" on this forum. I have simply been taking your repeated assertion that you are "evil" at face value.
Yes, and I've explained why.

If you have something you acknowledge is good and you don't live up to it, are you good?

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Originally posted by @kellyjay
... having dealt with you for years confirms my stance because
I have seen things from you that I would not call good.
OK, so you don't think I am "good" because of our interactions. So what? Are you trying to establish your theory that everyone is "evil and wicked"? Are you trying to use me as an example?


Originally posted by @kellyjay
If you have something you acknowledge is good and you don't live up to it, are you good?
I am a basically good person. Yes. Not perfect. Not flawless.. But basically good. Not evil. Not wicked. If you think you are evil, that's fine by me. If you think I am evil, that's also fine by me.

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Originally posted by @fmf
I am a basically good person. Yes. Not perfect. Not flawless.. But basically good. Not evil. Not wicked. If you think you are evil, that's fine by me. If you think I am evil, that's also fine by me.
So basically good, is still good in your view?
Isn't that saying you fall short, but you are okay with that?

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Originally posted by @fmf
OK, so you don't think I am "good" because of our interactions. So what? Are you trying to establish your theory that everyone is "evil and wicked"? Are you trying to use me as an example?
No, I wouldn't have mentioned it accept you said just ask those who know you.
I'm not attempting to paint you evil, I'm trying to show you what being good actually means
and from there I'm sorry to say will paint us all falling short, not just you me too.


Originally posted by @kellyjay
No, I wouldn't have mentioned it accept you said just ask those who know you.
I am talking about my testimony in answer to whodey's two questions on Page 3. You do not know me, KellyJay. You believe I was not a Christian in the past. So you are clueless. For you to repeatedly declare that I have been lying about that for over a decade here means you don't know me. I was talking about Page 3.


Originally posted by @kellyjay
So basically good, is still good in your view?
Isn't that saying you fall short, but you are okay with that?
I try not to fall short. I am not an "evil" person. I am not a "wicked" person. I am basically good. That's my answer to whodey's question. You're answer is - I take it - that you are NOT a basically good person. What a pity.


Originally posted by @kellyjay
I'm not attempting to paint you evil...
I thought your religion makes you attempt to paint EVERYONE as "evil"?


Originally posted by @kellyjay
I'm trying to show you what being good actually means and from there I'm sorry to say will paint us all falling short, not just you me too.
If you are "falling short" a lot and that is why you see yourself as evil and wicked, then I wish you well.


Originally posted by @kellyjay
...I'm trying to show you what being good actually means.. ..
OK. So. Can you tell me what "good" means without reference to supernatural phenomena that appeal to your imagination and some kind of grotesque human sacrifice folklore?

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Originally posted by @fmf
I am talking about my testimony in answer to whodey's two questions on Page 3. You do not know me, KellyJay. You believe I was not a Christian in the past. So you are clueless. For you to repeatedly declare that I have been lying about that for over a decade here means you don't know me. I was talking about Page 3.
I have had conversations with you for years, I have read what you have written to and about
others here for years. I don't have to think about your real life in the past or present to have
an opinion of you. What you claim, what you really were in the past has nothing to do with
this, you know that truth I don't. I can form an opinion it doesn't mean it is correct.

What I do know is that if there is some action we call good, and we don't do it we fall short
of being good. If there is some bad, evil, wicked action we know to be so and we do those
things we fall short of being good.

Falling short of good is NOT being good, good enough is just suggesting that if the scale
were 1-100 and only a 100 is good, you are okay as long as you score 98%. Grading
on a curve is accepting bad behavior as being good enough, for good.


Originally posted by @kellyjay
What I do know is that if there is some action we call good, and we don't do it we fall short
of being good. If there is some bad, evil, wicked action we know to be so and we do those
things we fall short of being good.
People are basically good. I am basically good. Describe yourself as you see fit.


Originally posted by @kellyjay
I have had conversations with you for years, I have read what you have written to and about others here for years. I don't have to think about your real life in the past or present to have an opinion of you.
I am OK with you seeing me as evil and wicked based on our interactions on this message board.


Originally posted by @kellyjay
Falling short of good is NOT being good, good enough is just suggesting that if the scale
were 1-100 and only a 100 is good, you are okay as long as you score 98%, turning
good into your standard not 'good' for it is to hard to live up too. A score of 98% maybe
enough for somethings, but not others, 98% means at least 2% you are not good. Breaking
the ...[text shortened]... e law, doing that and not killing someone doesn't mean you
are not wrong, for the wrong you do.
98% good sounds like 'basically good'. People being flawed or imperfect does not make them "evil and wicked" as your religion has made you believe.

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Originally posted by @fmf
People are basically good. I am basically good. Describe yourself as you see fit.
Basically good is accepting things about people that are not good as acceptable, which
means that it is not a real standard of standard of good, it is instead, just what we can call
acceptable.

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