Are RHP atheists preventing "salvation"?

@pb1022 said
I think any Christian - after accepting and believing in Jesus Christ and in His Resurrection and after receiving God’s Holy Spirit indwelling him - who calls himself “evil” is committing blasphemy.

Here's another example - from sonship from a few years ago: "I am unbelievably evil. I need a Savior. Jesus saw to my need even before I was born."

This self-criticism was triggered by him calling me "unbelievably evil" for asking him to substantiate a claim he was making about himself ~ and comparing my comments and questions in forum discussions to Jesus being tempted by "the Devil" ~ it received somewhat of a backlash.

There it is. sonship: "I am unbelievably evil."

And that's coming from one of the most narcissistic and sanctimonious Christians this forum has ever seen.

If he believed he wasn't evil, why would he say he is unbelievably evil?

Do you see it as blasphemy?

@pb1022 said
I think you are encouraging pitting Christians against each other (and you’re not the only atheist on here doing that,) but I think KellyJay, myself and all Christians defer to the Holy Bible on questions related to God, our faith and all matters pertaining to our faith.

So KellyJay, I respectfully request you support what *I think* is your assertion that you, as a Christia ...[text shortened]... of any verses that say a Christian is evil.

If you can provide such a verse or verses, please do.

We are righteous in Christ; with the righteous, He gives us, outside of Christ, we are not. Our righteousness comes from Jesus Christ, we are no better than anyone else, we are righteous only because of Jesus Christ. We are also still in a corruptible body even as Christian; we struggle with sin; that struggle doesn't stop because we are Christian; as a matter of fact, it goes into overdrive because with God within us, we start to see sin for what it is. The closer we get to God, the more we see the subtle nature of our corruption.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

From Romans 7-8

So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

@fmf said
Have you written this incorrectly in order to be deliberately opaque?

I'm not sure what part of we are all sinners is escaping you.

@rajk999 said
Jesus said what a man needs to do to get eternal life.
I have never heard you preach those things Jesus preached.
So you must be trusting in something else

You have never seen me preach what your Jesus preached, the one you makeup, the one that requires people earn their salvation through works.

@fmf said
So, to be clear. Your "sins" can't result in you going to "Hell" because Jesus is "trustworthy, right?

Jesus died for us to be saved; His sacrifice for us is our righteousness in Christ. I do not deny I have sinned, I struggle against sin, but the victory over sin was won for us in Jesus Christ. Only the guilty need be forgiven, and I'm guilty; I admit that to God and ask for forgiveness because of that. Those that are self-righteous have no desire; they don't think they need it, so when the day of judgment comes, its the righteousness of God as the standard, and since He alone is good, everyone else will be condemned for the sins they did commit their mouths will condemn themselves.

@kellyjay said
I'm not sure what part of we are all sinners is escaping you.

You wrote this: "Yes, none of us in our righteousness all deserve damnation." It is crap English. Were you deliberately trying to obscure what you were saying?

@pb1022 said
I hate to butt into a conversation I’m not a part of, but since my name got brought up, I don’t think it’s inappropriate.

How any Christian can view himself or herself as evil after they’ve had all of their sins forgiven by the blood of Jesus Christ and after they have received Jesus Christ’s righteousness (2 Corinthians 5:21) and the indwelling of God’s Holy Spirit is hone ...[text shortened]... ferring to anybody with this opinion) is because they do not realize their identity in Jesus Christ!

Christ in us makes us the righteousness of God; without Him, do you think you are any different than anyone else? We cannot boast about how good we are because our goodness isn't our own; it is a gift of God in us, so I don't attempt to compare my life to others, because I know without the love of God in me, what I was, and could be for it not for Jesus Christ.

@kellyjay said
Jesus died for us to be saved; His sacrifice for us is our righteousness in Christ. I do not deny I have sinned, I struggle against sin, but the victory over sin was won for us in Jesus Christ. Only the guilty need be forgiven, and I'm guilty; I admit that to God and ask for forgiveness because of that. Those that are self-righteous have no desire; they don't think they need ...[text shortened]... , everyone else will be condemned for the sins they did commit their mouths will condemn themselves.

Once again. I have read all the words you've posted twice. And I would ask you to answer unequivocally instead. Your "sins" can't result in you going to "Hell" because Jesus is "trustworthy, is that right?

@fmf said
You wrote this: "Yes, none of us in our righteousness all deserve damnation." It is crap English. Were you deliberately trying to obscure what you were saying?

It is a simple truth; deal with it.

@fmf said
Once again. I have read all the words you've posted twice. And I would ask you to answer unequivocally instead. Your "sins" can't result in you going to "Hell" because Jesus is "trustworthy, is that right?

Faith speech question.

@kellyjay said
Christ in us makes us the righteousness of God; without Him, do you think you are any different than anyone else? We cannot boast about how good we are because our goodness isn't our own; it is a gift of God in us, so I don't attempt to compare my life to others, because I know without the love of God in me, what I was, and could be for it not for Jesus Christ.

Are you now trying to distance yourself from your often repeated declaration that both you and I are evil and that only you are forgiven because you believe in Jesus and I don't? It would be interesting to see you distance yourself from that as a reaction to being accused of blasphemy.

@kellyjay said
Faith speech question.

You are mistaken. It is a yes or no question.

Your "sins" can't result in you going to "Hell" because Jesus is "trustworthy, is that right?

@kellyjay said
It is a simple truth; deal with it.

Do you not see that it is an illiterate string of words?

@fmf said
Are you now trying to distance yourself from your often repeated declaration that both you and I are evil and that only you are forgiven because you believe in Jesus and I don't? It would be interesting to see you distance yourself from that as a reaction to being accused of blasphemy.

All have sinned and fallen short of God, God who is good.

How do you define evil?