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@kellyjay saidThese are the people who hear those words:..Depart from me ... , the reasons for Jesus saying those words are clearly stated.
People are going to hear the words depart from me. I never knew you. After they tell Christ all the things, they did in His name. The devil believes and is going to Hell, you have seen all of this from me before, and you ask again. Do you think my answer will be different if you keep asking?
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.(Matthew 25:41-43 KJV)
It is crystal clear from the mouth of Christ who hears those words 'Depart from me'. Yet in the decade or so you have been posting here NOT ONE SINGLE TIME have you told people to heed those words of Christ. Instead you post 'Saved by Grace, carry your cross etc et and other such vague nonsense.
I suspect you are trying to encourage people to go on the road to damnation.
@KellyJay
When do you think you are cleansed of all your sins? When you accept and believe in Jesus Christ and in His Resurrection or when you die?
When do you receive God’s Holy Spirit? When you accept and believe in Jesus Christ and in His Resurrection or when you die?
Has God helped you in this life? If God has helped you, why is He helping an evil person? Surely not to bring you to repentance and saving faith in Him since you’re already a Christian.
Since you apparently think Christians are evil, how do they go to Heaven? Does God permit evil in Heaven?
At one point does a Christian go from being evil to not being evil?
Can you provide a single Scripture that says Christians are evil?
And, to get down to brass tacks, isn’t your proclamation that you’re evil (as was taken by at least one person here) the classic “humble brag” that is rooted in vanity and not in reality?
@KellyJay
What do these verses say? Do these verses say Christians are evil?
“Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.”
(1 John 4:17)
“For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”
(2 Corinthians 5:21)
“Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”
(1 Corinthians 3:16)
“Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.”
(1 John 4:4)
“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”
(2 Corinthians 5:17)
@pb1022 saidAs soon as I accept the Lord, Christ is in me. Note that I'm saying that without Christ, I'm no different from the next guy, and with Christ, as Paul says, we are still in this fleshly body and dealing with all of the temptations it presents. Living a crucified life is putting to death the fleshly desires we still possess; we are free and clear of them when we are no longer in these corrupt bodies but put on what God has for us with incorruptible ones.
@KellyJay
When do you think you are cleansed of all your sins? When you accept and believe in Jesus Christ and in His Resurrection or when you die?
When do you receive God’s Holy Spirit? When you accept and believe in Jesus Christ and in His Resurrection or when you die?
Has God helped you in this life? If God has helped you, why is He helping an evil person? Surely n ...[text shortened]... by at least one person here) the classic “humble brag” that is rooted in vanity and not in reality?
Galatians 2:20
I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
@kellyjay saidThanks for reply.
As soon as I accept the Lord, Christ is in me. Note that I'm saying that without Christ, I'm no different from the next guy, and with Christ, as Paul says, we are still in this fleshly body and dealing with all of the temptations it presents. Living a crucified life is putting to death the fleshly desires we still possess; we are free and clear of them when we are no longer ...[text shortened]... ife I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
FMF has been claiming that you believe you are evil (not *were* evil but *are* evil.)
I guess he got it wrong, but in fairness to him, that wouldn’t be the first time he didn’t understand what someone posted and misrepresented them. He does it with me quite often (though in my case, I think it’s malicious.)
Anyway, glad it’s cleared up.
@pb1022 saidNo, I believe FMF is absolutely correct within me dwells no good thing, left on my own without my desire to serve the Lord with all my heart, mind, and soul, I would simply be doing precisely what I was doing before. It would have more than likely killed me off by now; I doubt my body would have been healthy enough to go through what I did this year had I been pouring drugs and alcohol into it these past 40 years. Jesus didn't come for the righteous but sinners. He forgives those who ask for it because they are guilty; we repent daily, pick up our crosses and follow Him, or start following our sinful desires if we are not following the Spirit of God in our lives we are not His. I'm NO BETTER than anyone here, more than likely worse than a lot of them; without Christ, I would be lost.
Thanks for reply.
FMF has been claiming that you believe you are evil (not *were* evil but *are* evil.)
I guess he got it wrong, but in fairness to him, that wouldn’t be the first time he didn’t understand what someone posted and misrepresented them. He does it with me quite often (though in my case, I think it’s malicious.)
Anyway, glad it’s cleared up.
@kellyjay said<<No, I believe FMF is absolutely correct within me dwells no good thing,>>
No, I believe FMF is absolutely correct within me dwells no good thing, left on my own without my desire to serve the Lord with all my heart, mind, and soul, I would simply be doing precisely what I was doing before. It would have more than likely killed me off by now; I doubt my body would have been healthy enough to go through what I did this year had I been pouring drugs ...[text shortened]... BETTER than anyone here, more than likely worse than a lot of them; without Christ, I would be lost.
So God’s Holy Spirit doesn’t indwell you?
You think Christians are just as evil as non-Christians?
I’m *not* talking about how you were without Christ. I’m talking about how you are *with Christ.*
If you think you are just as evil - or evil at all - with Christ, then you and I are obviously in complete disagreement and I believe your position not only contradicts the Holy Bible but is blasphemous to boot.
BTW, I think you’re mistakenly paraphrasing the Apostle Paul.
Paul said *in his flesh* dwells no good thing.
@pb1022 saidRomans 7:17
<<No, I believe FMF is absolutely correct within me dwells no good thing,>>
So God’s Holy Spirit doesn’t indwell you?
You think Christians are just as evil as non-Christians?
I’m *not* talking about how you were without Christ. I’m talking about how you are *with Christ.*
If you think you are just as evil - or evil at all - with Christ, then you and I are obviously ...[text shortened]... k you’re mistakenly paraphrasing the Apostle Paul.
Paul said *in his flesh* dwells no good thing.
So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
Romans 7:20
Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
I don't know about you, but I have to agree with Paul, sin and the Spirit of God are significant players in my life; I'm putting sin to death living the life God has given me, but I have to put sin to death because it is still in me. You free entirely from sin, and you have no desires that would turn you to the left or right if you followed them instead of the Spirit of God? What do you think Paul means when he says in his flesh dwells no good thing, it is his body, that is where his flesh is.
@kellyjay saidI’m not talking about whether sin dwells in me. Paul talks extensively about the struggle between the Spirit and the flesh in Romans 7 and Galatians.
Romans 7:17
So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
Romans 7:20
Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
I don't know about you, but I have to agree with Paul, sin and the Spirit of God are significant players in my life; I'm putting sin to death living the life God has given me, but I have ...[text shortened]... ul means when he says in his flesh dwells no good thing, it is his body, that is where his flesh is.
What I’m talking about - and what FMF was talking about - is whether you think you *present day as a Christian* are “evil.”
That’s the question. If you don’t want to answer it, fine. But why resort to obfuscation?
@pb1022 saidI think the whole human race is fallen, without exception, and without God, we are sinners who will do whatever we want if we think we can get away with it or justify ourselves in some manner. We are the righteousness of God in Christ, but that has all to do with Jesus, and nothing on us we cannot earn that, we cannot achieve that, it is a gift! The fact that God saw us at our worst, knowing how bad we would be, and still, Jesus came and died for us, amazes me. So if I'm going to say someone is good, it is God alone, we can be good as we compare ourselves to ourselves, but even that is deceptive since our sinful nature will always highlight us in ways we may not see clearly.
I’m not talking about whether sin dwells in me. Paul talks extensively about the struggle between the Spirit and the flesh in Romans 7 and Galatians.
What I’m talking about - and what FMF was talking about - is whether you think you *present day as a Christian* are “evil.”
That’s the question. If you don’t want to answer it, fine. But why resort to obfuscation?