12 Jun 05
I've noticed that our devout bethren retire early on Saturday night, presumably to be bright and shiny for Jesus the next morning. Would this be a good time to drop the facade? Perhaps we could confess to each other how we really don't accept science either. How we almost lost it and spilled the beans when dj2 plagerized that last website.
Or maybe we could open up about how we really have no intellectual objections to believing in God. It's really just that we hate him and love sin.
I mean aren't some of you people also becoming convinced that Noah's flood really happened? Come on we all know about the great science conspiracy to promote atheism in the world. We can let our guard down now. We are in a safe environment while the brow-beaters get their beauty sleep.
12 Jun 05
Originally posted by telerionWhich just gave me a thought. If I'm not worried about being presentable in front of a church congregation tomorrow, why am I the only one typing in the RHP forums on a Sat night?
I've noticed that our devout bethren retire early on Saturday night, presumably to be bright and shiny for Jesus the next morning. Would this be a good time to drop the facade? Perhaps we could confess to each other how we really don't accept science either. How we almost lost it and spilled the beans when dj2 plagerized that last website.
Or maybe we ...[text shortened]... our guard down now. We are in a safe environment while the brow-beaters get their beauty sleep.
12 Jun 05
Originally posted by David CNoah had Heavenly Helicopters lifting all those animals? To and from there point of departure? Shades of TWA.
Sort of a Heathen Love-in? I could go for that. Overnights with the un-Devout? Start swapping quotes from the Gnostic Gospels?
Actually, I think there may be something to that Noah myth, though...
12 Jun 05
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Originally posted by KneverKnightNot Noah per se, KK. The central figure in that myth goes by many names. Do you think there's a chance that all those recounts of an ancient catastrophe from diverse regions and cultures might be tied to an actual event?
Noah had Heavenly Helicopters lifting all those animals? To and from there point of departure? Shades of TWA.
[i]edit[i]....3rd edit, just because.
12 Jun 05
Originally posted by David Cwell ... some guy told me that they had a flood way back when the Black Sea was a fresh water lake that turned it into salt water
Not Noah per se, KK. The central figure in that myth goes by many names. Do you think there's a chance that all those recounts of an ancient catastrophe from diverse regions and cultures might be tied to an actual event?
[i]edit[i]....3rd edit, just because.
12 Jun 05
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Originally posted by David Chere some of the first written accounts of the flood thats in the bible:
Not Noah per se, KK. The central figure in that myth goes by many names. Do you think there's a chance that all those recounts of an ancient catastrophe from diverse regions and cultures might be tied to an actual event?
edit....3rd edit, just because.
Something that was not a dream appeared, conversation ......, ...... taking an oath by invoking heaven and earth. In the Ki-ur, the gods ...... a wall. Zi-ud-sura, standing at its side, heard: "Side-wall standing at my left side, ....... Side-wall, I will speak words to you; take heed of my words, pay attention to my instructions. A flood will sweep over the ...... in all the ....... A decision that the seed of mankind is to be destroyed has been made. The verdict, the word of the divine assembly, cannot be revoked.
it continues after some missing fragments:
All the windstorms and gales arose together, and the flood swept over the ....... After the flood had swept over the land, and waves and windstorms had rocked the huge boat for seven days and seven nights, Utu the sun-god came out, illuminating heaven and earth. Zi-ud-sura could drill an opening in the huge boat and hero Utu entered the huge boat with his rays. Zi-ud-sura the king prostrated himself before Utu. The king sacrificed oxen and offered innumerable sheep.
there is more info on other tablets
12 Jun 05
Originally posted by frogstompmore from this one:
here some of the first written accounts of the flood thats in the bible:
Something that was not a dream appeared, conversation ......, ...... taking an oath by invoking heaven and earth. In the Ki-ur, the gods ...... a wall. Zi-ud-sura, standing at its side, heard: "Side-wall standing at my left side, ....... Side-wall, I will speak words to ...[text shortened]... ing sacrificed oxen and offered innumerable sheep.
there is more info on other tablets
More and more animals disembarked onto the earth. Zi-ud-sura the king prostrated himself before An and Enlil. An and Enlil treated Zi-ud-sura kindly ......, they granted him life like a god, they brought down to him eternal life. At that time, because of preserving the animals and the seed of mankind, they settled Zi-ud-sura the king in an overseas country, in the land Dilmun, where the sun rises.
12 Jun 05
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Originally posted by frogstompand from a different tablet:
more from this one:
More and more animals disembarked onto the earth. Zi-ud-sura the king prostrated himself before An and Enlil. An and Enlil treated Zi-ud-sura kindly ......, they granted him life like a god, they brought down to him ...[text shortened]... an overseas country, in the land Dilmun, where the sun rises.
At that time, Ziusudra was king and lustration priest. He fashioned, being a seer, the god of giddiness and stood in awe beside it, wording his wishes humbly.
As he stood there regularly day after day something that was not a dream was appearing: conversation a swearing of oaths by heaven and earth, a touching of throats and the gods bringing their thwarts up to Kiur.
And as Ziusudra stood there beside it, he went on hearing:
"Step up to the wall to my left and listen! Let me speak a word to you at the wall and may you grasp what I say, may you heed my advice! By our hand a flood will sweep over the cities of the half-bushel baskets, and the country; the decision, that mankind is to be destroyed has been made".
A verdict, a command of the assembly cannot be revoked, an order of An and Enlil is not known ever to have been countermanded, their kingship, their term, has been uprooted they must bethink themselves of that. Now... What I have to say to you...
lost fragments : then continues :
All the evil winds, all stormy winds gathered into one and with them, then, the flood was sweeping over the cities of the half-bushel baskets for seven days and seven nights. After the flood had swept over the country, after the evil wind had tossed the big boat about on the great waters, the sun came out spreading light over heaven and earth.
12 Jun 05
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Originally posted by frogstompand continuing:
and from a different tablet:
At that time, Ziusudra was king and lustration priest. He fashioned, being a seer, the god of giddiness and stood in awe beside it, wording his wishes humbly.
As he stood there regularly day after day somet ...[text shortened]... waters, the sun came out spreading light over heaven and earth.
Ziusudra then drilled an opening in the big boat.
And the gallant Utu sent his light into the interior of the big boat. Ziusudra, being king, stepped up before Utu kissing the ground before him. The king was butchering oxen, was being lavish with the sheep Barley cakes, crescents together with......he was crumbling for him juniper, the pure plant of the mountains, he filled on the fire and with a ...clasped to the breast he...
lost fragments and continues :
You here have sworn by the life's breath of heaven the life's breath of earth that he verily is allied with yourself; you there, An and Enlil, have sworn by the life's breath of heaven, the life's breath of earth. that he is allied with all of you. He will disembark the small animals that come up from the earth!
Ziusudra, being king, stepped up before An and Enlil kissing the ground. And An and Enlil after honoring him were granting him life like a god's, were making lasting breath of life, like a god's, descend into him. That day they made Ziusudra, preserver, as king, of the name of the small animals and the seed of mankind, live toward the east over the mountains in mount Dilmun.