06 Oct 11
Originally posted by googlefudgeThank you.
Said the homophobic bigot.
Religion is full of wise sounding poetry, designed to make the person saying it seem wise and all knowing.
It is however a façade overlying empty house.
There is nothing there behind it to back it up.
You are a bigot, trying to cover up and justify your bigotry in fancy words and a cloak of religious respectabil ...[text shortened]... er than pithy meaningless trivialities masquerading as wisdom.
Save it for someone who cares.
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbySome people like to think things through.
[b]"It's only when "crimes/sins" have actual victims...
On what basis of authority do you draw this conclusion?
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Others (like yourself) prefer to be instructed by a 2000 year old book written by primitive people *for* primitive people.
Hope this helps 🙂
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Originally posted by Agerg"Some people like to think things through."
Some people like to think things through.
Others (like yourself) prefer to be instructed by a 2000 year old book written by primitive people *for* primitive people.
Hope this helps 🙂
Wondering if you were born with the knowledge you have, Agberg..... or if you
were instructed by someone or some thing along the way to your mindset now.
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Originally posted by sumydidWell I'll see your "Anyone who claims that mankind was "primitive" 2,000 years ago, has obviously *not* thought things through" and raise you...
Anyone who claims that mankind was "primitive" 2,000 years ago, has obviously *not* thought things through.
Anyone who claims that anyone who claims that mankind was "primitive" 2,000 years ago, has obviously *not* thought things through has obviously not thought things through.
We're talking about a period in humanity's history where slavery was ok, women were the lesser gender, the pinnacle of scientific "discovery" was the notion that the centre of the universe, aka earth, is flat and is orbited by sun, and any pretty much every other "scientific" principle relied on the statement that god did it!
They certainly weren't advanced by any meaningful definition of the word. 😕
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI wasn't born with it and I have been told/instructed in many things; but as I've grown older I've given greater critical evaluation of the things people tell me. Consequently I've been able to rise above the silly racism that I was brought up through by using my noggin and questioning the justification for it. Ditto for sexism, and relevant to this thread: homophobia, and of course so on and so forth...
[b]"Some people like to think things through."
Wondering if you were born with the knowledge you have, Agberg..... or if you
were instructed by someone or some thing along the way to your mindset now.
.[/b]
The important point is that I don't need a 2000 year old book to tell me how to be moral; I've decided for myself what is morally right and morally wrong (and rejected later some of the "teaching" I've received along the way)
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06 Oct 11
Originally posted by AgergDepends who you mean by 'they', the Romans were much more advanced and knowledgeable
Well I'll see your "Anyone who claims that mankind was "primitive" 2,000 years ago, has obviously *not* thought things through" and raise you...
Anyone who claims that anyone who claims that mankind was "primitive" 2,000 years ago, has obviously *not* thought things through has obviously not thought things through.
We're talking about a period i ...[text shortened]... t!
They certainly weren't advanced by any meaningful definition of the word. 😕
(although perhaps not morally) than the subjugated people who invented Christianity.
But yes I otherwise do agree.
06 Oct 11
Originally posted by AgergWouldn't your eloquently stated 'critical rationale' also apply to others who may have reached alternative decisions?
I wasn't born with it and I have been told/instructed in many things; but as I've grown older I've given greater critical evaluation of the things people tell me. Consequently I've been able to rise above the silly racism that I was brought up through by using my noggin and questioning the justification for it. Ditto for sexism, and relevant to this thread: homophobia, and of course so on and so forth...
"Some people like to think things through.
Others (like yourself) prefer to be instructed by a 2000 year old book written by primitive people *for* primitive people. -Agberg
Hope this helps
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06 Oct 11
Originally posted by googlefudgeThe Romans did cross my mind as I wrote what I did; but as they were by and large external to the Bible's audience and inventors I didn't see fit to mention them.
Depends who you mean by 'they', the Romans were much more advanced and knowledgeable
(although perhaps not morally) than the subjugated people who invented Christianity.
But yes I otherwise do agree.
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06 Oct 11
Originally posted by AgergI understand, but I feel it worth pointing out that the early Christians were the primitive
The Romans did cross my mind as I wrote what I did; but as they were by and large external to the Bible's audience and inventors I didn't see fit to mention them.
barbaric people on the periphery of the much more advanced Roman empire.
People who thought the world still flat while living next to people who knew the world was round.
Which makes the fact that the bible says the world is flat means it was even out-of-date scientific
knowledge when it was written.
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI'm not seeing the critical thinking in:
Wouldn't your eloquently stated 'critical rationale' also apply to others who may have reached alternative decisions?
"Some people like to think things through.
[b]Others (like yourself) prefer to be instructed by a 2000 year old book written by primitive people *for* primitive people. -Agberg
Hope this helps
.[/b]
Bible says homosexuality is wrong/hated by God - therefore I must hate or be prejudiced against homosexuals - analysis finished.
Where is the argument as to why homosexuality is wrong/evil/or whatever.. independent of what the Bible says!?
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Originally posted by Agerg"Wouldn't your eloquently stated 'critical rationale' also apply to others who may have reached
I'm not seeing the critical thinking in:
Bible says homosexuality is wrong/hated by God - therefore I must hate or be prejudiced against homosexuals - analysis finished.
Where is the argument as to why homosexuality is wrong/evil/or whatever.. independent of what the Bible says!?
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alternative decisions?" -gb
"Some people like to think things through.
Others (like yourself) prefer to be instructed by a 2000 year old book written by primitive people *for* primitive people.
Hope this helps."-Agberg
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Find it difficult to believe an intelligent fellow like yourself failed to realize that my concise summary comment pertained to the process of acquiring informed decisions, not to any particular category of application. Looks like a shabby straw man in my opinion.
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyIn forming a connection between what I said initially to inspire your responses directed at me, and the response you refer to here; assuming that it was supposed to have some bearing on the supposed intellectual validity of basing ones choices on the words of the bible seemed like a good fit.
[b]"Wouldn't your eloquently stated 'critical rationale' also apply to others who may have reached
alternative decisions?" -gb
"Some people like to think things through.
Others (like yourself) prefer to be instructed by a 2000 year old book written by primitive people *for* primitive people.
Hope this helps."-Agberg
................ ...[text shortened]... any particular category of application. Looks like a shabby straw man in my opinion.
.[/b]
Being mistaken here does not affect my impression of my self worth.
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06 Oct 11
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyPerhaps if you posted a comment instead of a summery of it your meaning would actually be evident.
[b]"Wouldn't your eloquently stated 'critical rationale' also apply to others who may have reached
alternative decisions?" -gb
"Some people like to think things through.
Others (like yourself) prefer to be instructed by a 2000 year old book written by primitive people *for* primitive people.
Hope this helps."-Agberg
................ ...[text shortened]... any particular category of application. Looks like a shabby straw man in my opinion.
.[/b]
Of course that would mean being clear and detailed rather than being ambiguous and simplistic.
Why make your position clear when you can be vague and then deflect any criticism by claiming that
it wasn't what you meant in the first place.
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Originally posted by AgergWhere does the Holy Bible say homosexuality is wrong/hated by God -
I'm not seeing the critical thinking in:
Bible says homosexuality is wrong/hated by God - therefore I must hate or be prejudiced against homosexuals - analysis finished.
Where is the argument as to why homosexuality is wrong/evil/or whatever.. independent of what the Bible says!?
therefore you must hate or be prejudiced against homosexuals?
I think it is a certain act that men do to other men that is similiar to
what a man does to a woman that God hates.
P.S. I don't see this equates to being prejudiced against homosexuals.