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Can the atheist rightfully claim a hope for life? If so, what is the source of that hope? If there be no hope, well, why live?
Originally posted by FreakyKBHFirst of all I myself aint much of a "hope" kinda guy. But if I had to guess I would say that the same things give athiests hope as theists. The smile of children, the warmth of a lover perhaps.
Can the atheist rightfully claim a hope for life? If so, what is the source of that hope? If there be no hope, well, why live?
Originally posted by FreakyKBHYou live for hope? What a sad life you lead.
Can the atheist rightfully claim a hope for life? If so, what is the source of that hope? If there be no hope, well, why live?
Originally posted by FreakyKBHI think there are different kinds of hopes, most of them worldly. And contrary to twhitehead's derisive comment, I'm pretty sure most people, atheist or otherwise, need hope to survive, in one form or another. An extreme example of this, found in Viktor Frankl's book, Man's Search For Meaning, is the prisoner at Auschwitz who has a dream wherein she learns the exact date that the war will end. Color returns to her face and her mood lightens as she looks forward to her freedom. Of course, the date comes and goes and the war does not end. Shortly thereafter she falls into a depression and dies three days later. If people are honest with themselves, they will recognize that it is hope of something that gets them out of bed in the morning. People get by just fine as long as they're creative and persistent enough to find meaning where they can. Whether it's in a kind of atheistic stoicism in the face of a presupposed existential absurdity, or something as primal and simplistic as aesthetic and/or hedonistic appreciation.
Can the atheist rightfully claim a hope for life? If so, what is the source of that hope? If there be no hope, well, why live?
Originally posted by FreakyKBHAtheists has no need any hope for life, because they are alive already. Aren't we all, we who are debating here?
Can the atheist rightfully claim a hope for life? If so, what is the source of that hope? If there be no hope, well, why live?
Originally posted by epiphinehasThere is a difference between needing hope to live, and living for hope.
I think there are different kinds of hopes, most of them worldly. And contrary to twhitehead's derisive comment, I'm pretty sure most people, atheist or otherwise, need hope to survive, in one form or another.
Originally posted by epiphinehasThe hope referred to in the NT is the particular hope which only the righteous enjoy, through faith in Christ. It is different than worldly hope because it is an empowerment of the Holy Ghost.
I think there are different kinds of hopes, most of them worldly. And contrary to twhitehead's derisive comment, I'm pretty sure most people, atheist or otherwise, need hope to survive, in one form or another. An extreme example of this, found in Viktor Frankl's book, [i]Man's Search For Meaning, is the prisoner at Auschwitz who has a dream w Christ. It is different than worldly hope because it is an empowerment of the Holy Ghost.[/i][/b]
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyElpis in Koine -and generally in Greek- has nothing to do with absolute confidence; it is merely the expectation that the results will be favorable. The scribes of the Bible twisted this meaning and gave the word the gloss of the Christian faith.
[b]The hope referred to in the NT is the particular hope which only the righteous enjoy, through faith in Christ. It is different than worldly hope because it is an empowerment of the Holy Ghost.
Worded much more emphatically... 'Hope' in the Koine = "elpis" or absolute confidence with the expectation of favorabe results.[/b]
Originally posted by FabianFnasI think suicide is a sin, so that wouldn't be an option.
Atheists has no need any hope for life, because they are alive already. Aren't we all, we who are debating here?
"Are there some non-living here? Raise your hand!"
Ah, you mean an after-life? Oh, I don't think they believe in that, thus don't have any hope for it. They are safe enough in themselves. So they live on.
What I think is strange - if an ...[text shortened]... see a greener grass on the other side of the fence, I just take the jump. Why don't they?
Originally posted by lauseyHow do you evaluate Keion nomimon?
I think suicide is a sin, so that wouldn't be an option.
As for people who believe in karma. Suicide will just result in coming back to where you left off, therefore no progression "spiritually".
I am playing Devil's Advocate, of course. 🙂
Originally posted by lauseyEven Jesus committed suicide. He knew what was coming, a death sentence, but he did nothing to avoid it. He let the romans take him, and they hanged him on the cross, and he knew this in advance.
I think suicide is a sin, so that wouldn't be an option.
As for people who believe in karma. Suicide will just result in coming back to where you left off, therefore no progression "spiritually".
I am playing Devil's Advocate, of course. 🙂
Originally posted by lauseyThinking something is a sin, never really stopped anyone. I guess the possible lack of time afterwards to ask for forgiveness for you sins might be a problem, or if the sin in question is considered a serious sin.
I think suicide is a sin, so that wouldn't be an option.
Originally posted by FabianFnasFrom what I understand, he was more like a Gandhi figure. He was so much against fighting back that he didn't resist the Romans. I still don't think his death was voluntary.
Even Jesus committed suicide. He knew what was coming, a death sentence, but he did nothing to avoid it. He let the romans take him, and they hanged him on the cross, and he knew this in advance.
Or perhaps he just had a bad lawyer...
Originally posted by lauseyOf course it was voluntary. He wanted to follow the prophecy.
From what I understand, he was more like a Gandhi figure. He was so much against fighting back that he didn't resist the Romans. I still don't think his death was voluntary.