25 May 08
Why do you put Atheists against Jesus? Why not put all non christians of various beliefs on one stand?
Muslims believe in Jesus as a holy figure, Jews are not. What about Buddists, Hindus, Zen believers, shamanists, animists?
I, for one, think Jesus is a philosofer. Some of what he says is jibberish, some are deep words. But he did some wierd suicide things, everyone has to agree...
25 May 08
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneOne problem is we don't really have any idea what his teachings really were, since he did not actually write stuff down, later people put what he supposedly said down so we are getting it second hand at best.
There's been quite a bit said against Christianity.
I don't think I've seen much said against the teachings of Jesus. Is there anything that anyone has found objectionable? I'd really be interested in hearing it if there is.
That said, I don't think that actual teachings would be objectionable to most atheists except the part where he says he is the son of god literally. I think a lot of his teachings were along the line of 'you think of yourself as unclean, as a lower caste, maybe untouchable, but you are really a good person just like the best of the rest'.
25 May 08
Originally posted by FabianFnasSimply because I'm interested in what atheists think of the teachings of Jesus. It seems like lumping all non-Christians together would muddy the waters.
Why do you put Atheists against Jesus? Why not put all non christians of various beliefs on one stand?
Muslims believe in Jesus as a holy figure, Jews are not. What about Buddists, Hindus, Zen believers, shamanists, animists?
I, for one, think Jesus is a philosofer. Some of what he says is jibberish, some are deep words. But he did some wierd suicide things, everyone has to agree...
What do you see as gibberish?
Do you agree with his philosophy? If not, where do you think he goes astray?
Care to explain what you mean by "weird suicide things"?
25 May 08
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Originally posted by sonhouseGranted it's all second hand at best.
One problem is we don't really have any idea what his teachings really were, since he did not actually write stuff down, later people put what he supposedly said down so we are getting it second hand at best.
That said, I don't think that actual teachings would be objectionable to most atheists except the part where he says he is the son of god literally. caste, maybe untouchable, but you are really a good person just like the best of the rest'.
It seems like "the part where he says he is the son of god literally" is open to interpretation. Is there a particular verse that you found objectionable?
25 May 08
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneSecond hand? They were eye witnesses. Your theology is seriously flawed, and like all eccentrics you take to attacking the inspired word of God.
Granted it's all second hand at best.
It seems like "the part where he says he is the son of god literally" is open to interpretation. Is there a particular verse that you found objectionable?
You are unaware of it, but you show differentiality toward the atheist out of one side of your mouth, and out of the other you reticule and insult and belittle the Christians who post here on behalf of the truth of God as it is revealed in the Bible.
25 May 08
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneMark Twain called Jesus "the inventor of Hell". That has to be the biggest objection.
There's been quite a bit said against Christianity.
I don't think I've seen much said against the teachings of Jesus. Is there anything that anyone has found objectionable? I'd really be interested in hearing it if there is.
25 May 08
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Originally posted by josephwFrom what I've seen, the words attributed to Jesus ring true to me. For you the words attributed to Paul ring true to you. Therein lies the difference.
Second hand? They were eye witnesses. Your theology is seriously flawed, and like all eccentrics you take to attacking the inspired word of God.
You are unaware of it, but you show differentiality toward the atheist out of one side of your mouth, and out of the other you reticule and insult and belittle the Christians who post here on behalf of the truth of God as it is revealed in the Bible.
Actually the differences I see between much of "Christianity" and the teachings of Jesus is at the root for the topic of this thread.
25 May 08
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOne"Granted it's all second hand at best." These are your words.
From what I've seen, the words attributed to Jesus ring true to me. For you the words attributed to Paul ring true to you. Therein lies the difference.
Actually the differences I see between much of "Christianity" and the teachings of Jesus is at the root for the topic of this thread.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Do you still think it's second hand. Or do you think these words of Jesus are made up too?
Your hypocrisy is too obvious.
25 May 08
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Originally posted by josephwAs usual you miss the point. The words attributed to Jesus ring true to me. It's the spirit of His words that's important. Ever notice how the quotes of Jesus often differ by author. If Jesus wrote down his own words, then they'd be first hand. If this were another time, you'd no doubt be a Pharisee.
[b]"Granted it's all second hand at best." These are your words.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Do you still think it's second hand. Or do you think these words of Jesus are made up too?
Your hypocrisy is too obvious.[/b]