Attrocities of 'Christianity', history of the Churches

Originally posted by KellyJay
Like I said earlier, I think grace and mercy is lost on you at least with your
current mindset. I agree with you on this point, I will give it up with you on
this.
Kelly

grace and mercy for what? what are you saying? that these events happened so that
grace and mercy could be extended? indeed what are you trying to say? why are you
not condemning these atrocities? what kind of human being are you?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
grace and mercy for what? what are you saying? that these events happened so that
grace and mercy could be extended? indeed what are you trying to say? why are you
not condemning these atrocities? what kind of human being are you?

The world is full of sinners, sinners sin...but grace is greater...I'm not at all
attempting to justify sin nor am I justifying any group that allows it or even
condons it. Each person will stand or fall due to their relationship with God
in Christ since none of us are without sin.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
The world is full of sinners, sinners sin...but grace is greater...I'm not at all
attempting to justify sin nor am I justifying any group that allows it or even
condons it. Each person will stand or fall due to their relationship with God
in Christ since none of us are without sin.
Kelly

so how does grace help those victims? serious question.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you need to separate the teachings of Christ from the actions of Christians, they are
not synonymous.

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you need to separate the teachings of Christ from the actions of Christians, they are not synonymous.
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What's bucky doing that you're not doing ?

I say that that God expects the teaching of Christ to be the same as the actions of Christians.

Nobody is getting away with anything. So you can complain about Calvin and whoever as much as you want.

We Christians will stand before the judgment seat of Christ and give an account of our Christian life. And that not for eternal redemption or eternal perdition, but for reward or discipline in the coming age.

But there was not a nickel's worth of difference between bucky's disgruntled comment and your parading out the scandels of Christiandom in your JW contempt.

What was he doing that you are not taught to do, down at the kingdom hall ???

Originally posted by jaywill
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you need to separate the teachings of Christ from the actions of Christians, they are not synonymous.
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What's bucky doing that you're not doing ?

I say that that God expects the teaching of Christ to be the same as the actions of Christians.

Nobody is getting a contempt.

What was he doing that you are not taught to do, down at the kingdom hall ???[/b]

absolutely nothing, for as yet , unlike you presumptuous ones, my salvation is not
guaranteed. Yes Christ is my personal saviour, yes i profess the Lord Jesus Christ but
i realise that it comes with a responsibility, that is to act in harmony with the teachings
of the one that i profess. What is more the Christ's very own words are being used to
demonstrate just how ungodly some Christians, such as Calvin were, for a good tree,
cannot produce rotten fruit, which certainly is what Calvin was. No allusions to Gods
grace can cover this fact up, you are a Christian?, then behave like one.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
sooo you have actually no idea on whether or not alternatives were made available to
those persons, mmm, and no idea whether or not persons would have survived had
they been offered alternatives and no idea what they were used for, nor any idea of
those persons who die as a consequence of the complications ensuing after receiving
blood when a ...[text shortened]... government trying
to synthesise chemical compounds to try to find a cure for various diseases.

Of course i don't have all those details, the fact is blood transfusions save lives.

Printing leaflets?? Mmmmmm, how exactly is that going to cut down cardiovascular disease and help the countless people who die each year from unclean water.

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I'm sorry if I missed it. It wasn't on purpose but just an oversite. Please show me which one it was, thanks.
And where do we cal him our personal saviour? But he is everyones saviour not just mine or Robbies but salvation is for all that earn that salvation and stay faithful until the end of their life's..

Originally posted by galveston75
I'm sorry if I missed it. It wasn't on purpose but just an oversite. Please show me which one it was, thanks.
And where do we cal him our personal saviour? But he is everyones saviour not just mine or Robbies but salvation is for all that earn that salvation and stay faithful until the end of their life's..

but salvation is for all that earn that salvation and stay faithful until the end of their
life's.

exactly, as the scripture states, 'he who has endured to the end is the one that will be
saved'. If salvation was guaranteed, there would be no need of endurance, would
there?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Of course i don't have all those details, the fact is blood transfusions save lives.

Printing leaflets?? Mmmmmm, how exactly is that going to cut down cardiovascular disease and help the countless people who die each year from unclean water.

educating persons on cleanliness has no value?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
so how does grace help those victims? serious question.

Which ones, the ones that died or the ones that lived, or both?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Which ones, the ones that died or the ones that lived, or both?
Kelly

yes the murderers and the murdered.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No all i can see is why you cannot admit, that if a person adopted our stance, they
would never have contracted HIV through infected blood, they would never have
contracted HIV through homosexual activity, they would never have contracted HIV
through extra marital relationships, they would never have contracted HIV through
intravenous drug us ...[text shortened]... the question
so that you will not be able to evade it, are you denying that this is the case.

No all i can see is why you cannot admit, that if a person adopted our stance, they
would never have contracted HIV through infected blood, they would never have
contracted HIV through homosexual activity, they would never have contracted HIV
through extra marital relationships, they would never have contracted HIV through
intravenous drug use, are you denying that this is the case.

I'll grant that. In fact, I think I already have. I just do not see how that in any way makes a good argument. A person who took only herbal remedy would not be exposed to the same fatal risks of chemotherapy. Still, if you have cancer, it is a much better idea to have chemo than to drink only herbal tea.

For another example, a leukemia patient will inevitably need a blood transfusion. The cancer attacks their blood cells. He will die without a blood transfusion. Now would you seriously say to him, 'Better not take that transfusion. If you took a blood transfusion, there's a slight chance you might contract HIV'. That makes no sense. Do you really have children?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
sooo you have actually no idea on whether or not alternatives were made available to
those persons, mmm, and no idea whether or not persons would have survived had
they been offered alternatives and no idea what they were used for, nor any idea of
those persons who die as a consequence of the complications ensuing after receiving
blood when a ...[text shortened]... government trying
to synthesise chemical compounds to try to find a cure for various diseases.

Well, even the hospital you yourself cited as an excellent example of bloodless surgery could not give a total alternative to blood transfusions. In the article, there was a man in a car crash whom the doctor could not treat any other way than by blood transfusion. Bloodless surgery and blood fractions are not as safe as blood transfusions.