-Removed-1 question and 1 question only. You say we don't answer and yet you still have not simply explained what this scripture means.
Matthew 10:22 (New Living Translation)
22 And all nations will hate you because you are my followers. But everyone who endures to the end will be saved.
Being saved is only obtained when we get to the end. It clearly and without any confusion says in black and white the END is when one can obtain salvation.
Now without getting off this simple scripture and twisting anything, answer only this one question.
((((((( How can you be saved now when this scripture says the END is the only time when one might be saved? ))))))
-Removed-what? personal salvation is emphasised by those that are interested in themselves,
Christianity always puts emphasis on doing things for other people. You are saved
and everything else comes after that, just about sums it up, thanks for declaring
intense self interest and then thinking about others afterwards, i could not have
demonstrated it better myself.
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-Removed-Lol..Here goes the word play again. I knew you'd do that, as usual. Amazing how you can read a scripture in your own Bible and with a very simple statement and wording "UNTIL THE END" and in reality say: "That's not true at all. There are other times you can be saved!!"
So if that scripture is wrong then so too is the whole Bible I guess according to your statement.
-Removed-WE don't ever settle on one verse in the Bible to put our beliefs on. We use the whole and complete Bible unlike ones who teach the trinity for example that pick the 10 or so scriptures that they fudge and twist the meanings of those scriptures and hazely try to make it fit that pagan belief.
So again that scripture is wrong on being saved at the end only???????????????
-Removed-Oh so now it becomes crystal clear why you argue against going door to door as Jesus commaned us to do to in helping others learn about the Bible and who Jesus and his Father Jehovah really are and what the future holds for all humans.
We don't really have too because it doesn't really matter as we can't do anything for anyone. Right?
What a complete and unloving copout!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-Removed-whut? whut? could i be dreaming? feels bum, nope vital signs are there.
(John 13:34-35) . . .I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one
another; just as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all
will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves.”
In what way did the Christ love the disciples? through the greatest act of self
sacrifice, ever, by giving his life on their and the worlds behalf.
(Mark 10:45) . . .For even the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to
minister and to give his soul a ransom in exchange for many.”
Indeed Christ even demonstrated this by washing the feet of the disciples, before
his death.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieNot denying Christains have responsiblities, nor that we are ambassadors, that
nope, being a Christian is a responsibility, you are an ambassador substituting for
Christ for goodness sake, simply saying that i have been saved by Gods grace is not
enough, its a cop out in fact, a myth perpetrated by armchair Christians unwilling to do
anything to help others, indeed, the whole 'I am saved', is an utter and complete piece
...[text shortened]... tain one says he has faith
but he does not have works? That faith cannot save him, can it?
being said, simply following the teachings of Jesus is NOT enough. An Atheist
can follow the teachings of Jesus, a mass murderer can follow Jesus' teaching
but fail in murdering part, you can ignore Jesus or God for that matter and
follow Jesus' teachings. Point being you need to start off in a relationship with
God in Christ, if you do not have a relationship with God in Christ you will hear
the words, "I never knew you" at judgment. I've not once denied we will do
good works in Christ, you must have a relationship with God to know Him, you
must have the Spirit of God to be able to follow Him and learn of Him.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayKelly Jay, Well ... off the top of my head I can say for certainty that an atheist cannot follow the teachings of Christ. Christ said:
Not denying Christains have responsiblities, nor that we are ambassadors, that
being said, simply following the teachings of Jesus is NOT enough. An Atheist
can follow the teachings of Jesus, a mass murderer can follow Jesus' teaching
but fail in murdering part, you can ignore Jesus or God for that matter and
follow Jesus' teachings. Point being you nee ...[text shortened]... now Him, you
must have the Spirit of God to be able to follow Him and learn of Him.
Kelly
Mark_12:30 ...thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Can an atheist love a God which to him does not exist?
As for the 'I never knew you' comment, lets look at the whole passage :
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
First look at who gets salvation in verse 21... its "..he that doeth the will of my Father and again in verse 24 .. its "..whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them.
And who is it that Christ says "I never knew you" to? Its those who claim to prophesy and cast out devils. Clearly those people did not understand what were the good works that were required of them.
Examples of the good works are clearly stated :
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Go feed the poor, clothe the naked, visit the sick and fatherless and the widows etc etc.
Accordiing to CHrist faith, baptism and good works is what is required for salvation and your relationship with Christ starts by following his commandments.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe answer doesn't fit your theology robbie.
you have FAILED to answer the question,
here it is for a fifth time,
If you are saved already why would there be need of endurance as the Christ evidently stated.
Enduring to the end is applicable to those who are here in this world at the end when the "son of perdition", "that man of sin" is revealed. Whoever is alive at that time and claims to be a believer will have to "endure" to the end. And will most likely have their head chopped off or starve to death because they won't be able to buy or sell anything including food without the mark of the beast.
Answer this: Can you DO something to be saved? Do you believe there is something you must DO to be saved?
A simple yes or no please.
By the way. You missed my post second from the last on page twelve.