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Originally posted by stellspalfieGood God, how do I get myself into these debates?
i dont know where to start with this...so.so.so.so.so. much wrong.
ill start with education as its one of my favourite topics.
education is in the middle of a massive boom around the world. as countries like china and india are becoming global economical powerhouses they need an educated workforce to sustain it. huge sums of money are being plough ...[text shortened]... r been or do you think things are just worse than the highest point? when was the highest point?
Rhetorically speaking.
Where do I start? This is so weird. We both live in the same world! Why do we see things so differently?
Originally posted by josephwIts a lost cause to try to argue that the world has gotten worse compared to any time in the history of man. The facts do not support that view.
Good God, how do I get myself into these debates?
Rhetorically speaking.
Where do I start? This is so weird. We both live in the same world! Why do we see things so differently?
If however you want to discuss the world now compared to the new world with Christ as king then you might have something to talk about.
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Originally posted by josephwlets start with facts....other than americas education system failing (which i agree with) can you support your argument? what evidence do you have that education is getting worse and what standard are you measuring it against, when was the golden age of education?
Good God, how do I get myself into these debates?
Rhetorically speaking.
Where do I start? This is so weird. We both live in the same world! Why do we see things so differently?
Originally posted by CalJustWe're fortunate to have you here playing this often under-appreciated tell-people-that-bears-stool-in-the-woods role.
FMF and PK, cant you see that RC is just playing Funny Buggers now? He lost his argument about twenty pages ago, and now just messes around!
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Originally posted by stellspalfieWelfare Reform - From Bad to Worse
lets start with facts....other than americas education system failing (which i agree with) can you support your argument? what evidence do you have that education is getting worse and what standard are you measuring it against, when was the golden age of education?
A stunning report released by the University of Michigan’s National Poverty Center reveals that the number of US households living on less than $2 per person per day—a standard used by the World Bank to measure poverty in developing nations—rose by 130 percent between 1996 and 2011, from 636,000 to 1.46 million. The number of children living in these extreme conditions also doubled, from 1.4 million to 2.8 million.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/166705/week-poverty-welfare-reform-bad-worse
From Bad to Worse: Unemployment and Underemployment
Less-educated, younger, and minority American workers face the worst job market in decades, far worse than their more educated counterparts.
http://cis.org/bad-to-worse
From Bad to worse: Texas Border Patrol on Brink of Collapse
From Bad to Worse - Illegal Immigration
A surge of unaccompanied child migrants has been crossing the US-Mexico border and seeking refuge in the United States since 2011, and the problem seems to be getting worse. US Customs and Border Protection says that apprehensions of unaccompanied children are up a staggering 92 percent from the previous year, with growing numbers of children coming from Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras. Since October, 52,000 children have come to the US without an adult.
They're coming in so quickly that normal immigration facilities have been completely overwhelmed, and thousands of kids are now being warehoused in makeshift detention centers, like the one shown above. Border state politicians, particularly Republicans, want to tighten immigration restrictions; immigrant rights activists say that's the exact opposite of what these children need.
Recent studies suggest that most of these unaccompanied children aren't economic migrants, as many Americans might assume — they're fleeing from threats and violence in their home countries, where things have gotten so bad that many families believe that they have no choice but to send their children on the long, dangerous journey north.
http://www.vox.com/2014/6/30/5842054/violence-in-central-america-and-the-child-refugee-crisis
Originally posted by RJHindsAll these points you are making are about the U.S. only. I think a debate about the U.S.'s 'fourth world' problems is quite different from a debate about whether indicators show that life has become better for billions of people elsewhere in the world since 1914.
Welfare Reform - From Bad to Worse
A stunning report released by the University of Michigan’s National Poverty Center reveals that the number of US households living on less than $2 per person per day—a standard used by the World Bank to measure poverty in developing nations—rose by 130 percent between 1996 and 2011, from 636,000 to 1.46 million. The numb ...[text shortened]...
http://www.vox.com/2014/6/30/5842054/violence-in-central-america-and-the-child-refugee-crisis
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Originally posted by FMFThat may be true, but I was responding to stellspalfie who was concerned with America. I did include a reference to things getting worse in Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras or else all those children would not have to be fleeing those countries. It may be a shock to you, but the USA can not take care of every third world or fourth world country in the world.
All these points you are making are about the U.S. only. I think a debate about the U.S.'s 'fourth world' problems is quite different from a debate about whether indicators show that life has become better for billions of people elsewhere in the world since 1914.
Originally posted by RJHindsMigration is caused by perceived pull factors and not just push factors. Despite its problems, the U.S. is a far richer country than say Guatemala even for most of its people living in [U.S.] poverty. That people are seeking perceived opportunities and advancement in a 'rich country' is not evidence that "things are getting worse" in the countries they leave behind.
That may be true, but I was responding to stellspalfie who was concerned with America. I did include a reference to things getting worse in Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras or else all those children would not have to be fleeing those countries.
Originally posted by FMFYou apparently did not read this part:
Migration is caused by perceived pull factors and not just push factors. Despite its problems, the U.S. is a far richer country than say Guatemala even for most of its people living in [U.S.] poverty. That people are seeking perceived opportunities and advancement in a 'rich country' is not evidence that "things are getting worse" in the countries they leave behind.
...they're fleeing from threats and violence in their home countries, where things have gotten so bad that many families believe that they have no choice but to send their children on the long, dangerous journey north.
Originally posted by RJHindsNo, I read it. The issue is perceptions. They may have done the same thing when they felt threatened by the murderous military dictatorships that terrorized the region for decades if they had perceived that going to the U.S. was the solution and if they had perceived that such an opportunity was possible.
You apparently did not read this part:...they're fleeing from threats and violence in their home countries, where things have gotten so bad that many families believe that they have no choice but to send their children on the long, dangerous journey north.
This thread has amply demonstrated that perceptions of things going from "Bad to worse" are not the same as actual indicators of things going from "Bad to worse" ~ with, on this thread for example, pessimistic 'end-is-nigh' posters like galveston75, josephw, Suzianne and robbie carrobie [among others] unable to convincingly back their perception that the world going from "Bad to worse" with evidence and instead rely on things like making wooly assertions, gainsay and just flat out ignoring the content of responses to what they have posted.
Originally posted by FMFYes. I mentioned on an earlier post something to the effect that it depends on perceptions. That is, that certain things seem much better while other things seems much worse from time to time. So I would not be able to prove that everything is getting worse, when I believe some things are better.
No, I read it. The issue is perceptions. They may have done the same thing when they felt threatened by the murderous military dictatorships that terrorized the region for decades if they had perceived that going to the U.S. was the solution and if they had perceived that such an opportunity was possible.
This thread has amply demonstrated that perceptions o ...[text shortened]... ssertions, gainsay and just flat out ignoring the content of responses to what they have posted.
Originally posted by RJHindsOn the evidence of this thread [and several similar threads in the past], I think for the pessimistic ones among your fellow Christians "it depends on perceptions" and little else that is convincing. Furthermore, these "perceptions" seem impervious to anything that contradicts the superstitions and ideology that underpin them.
Yes. I mentioned on an earlier post something to the effect that it depends on perceptions. That is, that certain things seem much better while other things seems much worse from time to time. So I would not be able to prove that everything is getting worse, when I believe some things are better.
Originally posted by FMFChina’s Environment Goes From Bad to Worse
On the evidence of this thread [and several similar threads in the past], I think for the pessimistic ones among your fellow Christians "it depends on perceptions" and little else that is convincing. Furthermore, these "perceptions" seem impervious to anything that contradicts the superstitions and ideology that underpin them.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-10/china-s-environment-goes-from-bad-to-worse.html