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Originally posted by FetchmyjunkHow do you know what fmf means when he says he believed? How do you know what fmf believes he had to put into action?
I think faith is much deeper than just belief. Someone can believe the Bible but not put it's words into practice. They can do all the things church people do, go through the motions but not have real faith.
As I said Christian is a nebulous term. In itself it means nothing. Compare what a conservative Christian believes to what a moderate/liberal christian believes.
Simply saying you believe yourself to be a christian and I believe in God and a guy named Jesus means nothing.
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Originally posted by EladarOk the way I see it God is the author and finisher of our faith. The good work that God starts in our lives He will bring it to completion. So if someone has faith it means God is the author, and God does not do an incomplete job he will always complete the good work that he has started. So if someone claims to have faith and then claims they have lost it they are claiming that God started something which He did not complete. So for me it makes more sense that they didn't have real faith to start off with. Do you think someone with genuine faith can loose it?
How do you know what fmf means when he says he believed? How do you know what fmf believes he had to put into action?
As I said Christian is a nebulous term. In itself it means nothing. Compare what a conservative Christian believes to what a moderate/liberal christian believes.
Simply saying you believe yourself to be a christian and I believe in God and a guy named Jesus means nothing.
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Originally posted by FetchmyjunkBut do you believe they must agree with you.
Ok the way I see it God is the author and finisher of our faith. The good work that God starts in our lives He will bring it to completion. So if someone has faith it means God is the author, and God does not do an incomplete job he will always complete the good work that he has started. So if some claims to have faith and then claims they have lost it t ...[text shortened]... not complete. So for me it makes more sense that they didn't have real faith to start off with.
Because they won't.
I believe the parable of the seeds counters your belief but I don't require you to agree with me.
So yes I believe someone with true faith can lose it.
Parable of the king and the servant who owes him money shows that even saved you can lose salvation.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI am not "having it both ways". You've said that more than once. It's false. There is no "both ways" being had with my analysis of what I used to believe as it contrasts with what I believe now. There are two things, and I have explained them "both". But to keep claiming I am somehow "having it both ways" is just not true.
So clearly now he thinks it wasn't real then even if he thought it was real at the time. He can't have it both ways.
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Originally posted by EladarWhy should they agree with me? Of course they wont. I am not saying my view is right and everyone else's view is wrong. At this point in time my view makes sense to me. If you have another view that makes more sense than mine I will surely change my view. Feel free to tell me why you think the parable of the seeds is referring to faith.
But do you believe they must agree with you.
Because they won't.
I believe the parable of the seeds counters your belief but I don't require you to agree with me.
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Originally posted by FetchmyjunkFaith I define as accepting the good news and believing it.
Why should they agree with me? Of course they wont. I am not saying my view is right and everyone else's view is wrong. Feel free to tell me why you think the parable of the seeds is referring to faith.