14 Feb 22
@rajk999 saidNothing in the verse you quote supports the thing you said,
No inheritance for Christians who sin needs no explanation.
And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which ...[text shortened]... is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.(Ephesians 5:2-5 KJV)
14 Feb 22
@rajk999 saidWorks alone cant save. It is clear that you can do powerful works, but works alone are not sufficient.
Did someone say works can save. Why does this line keep coming back ?
Jesus saves.
God sent Jesus to save people from their sins.
…21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’…
14 Feb 22
@rajk999 saidIt's a comfort for me to know Jesus knows his own.
These are bornagain Saints as Peter noted in his opening paragraph of the letter. This is what Jesus Christ will determine, who is who and judge accordingly.
Sometimes for us it's not always easy to tell.
14 Feb 22
@josephw saidWell this has been my point for years and years. Jesus knows, we do not know. All we know is that there is stuff that is required of a Christian, faith and works. We are told in no uncertain terms what these are, and what the consequences are of failure.
It's a comfort for me to know Jesus knows his own.
Sometimes for us it's not always easy to tell.
We are not in any position to pick out who will or will not be worthy of the Kingdom of God. Yet many Christians preach something else
14 Feb 22
@josephw saidYes again. There are people in every age in every country and nation who God had chosen to carry on with some kind of preaching. Not all of it is exactly the same. I remember Paul saying that he modified his preaching to suit his audience.
It is my belief that God knows His own in every age.
14 Feb 22
@rajk999 saidIt's true. There are a lot of people claiming to be Christian, but preach and teach "another gospel".
Well this has been my point for years and years. Jesus knows, we do not know. All we know is that there is stuff that is required of a Christian, faith and works. We are told in no uncertain terms what these are, and what the consequences are of failure.
We are not in any position to pick out who will or will not be worthy of the Kingdom of God. Yet many Christians preach something else
It's not that difficult to tell who they are. The Bible is full of admonitions about it.
14 Feb 22
@medullah saidI think that is a bad example. These people who called 'Lord Lord' did nothing along the lines of good works. They did wonderful works which they described as miracles, casting out demons etc. Nowhere in the teachings of Christ are these described as good works.
Works alone cant save. It is clear that you can do powerful works, but works alone are not sufficient.
…21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many mira ...[text shortened]... ?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’…
That passage is saying that calling Lord Lord [aka professions of faith and belief], is not sufficient for entry into the Kingdom of God
14 Feb 22
@rajk999 saidI don't think that is what Paul meant when he said, "For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some."
Yes again. There are people in every age in every country and nation who God had chosen to carry on with some kind of preaching. Not all of it is exactly the same. I remember Paul saying that he modified his preaching to suit his audience.
Paul did not change the gospel message.
15 Feb 22
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@sonship saidI never have and never will, pull up any link unless the poster gives some indication what it is about and I trust that person. I dont trust you neither do I care to read your links
@Rajk999
These German saints have the right idea.
Nun der Herr ist der Geist
https://soundcloud.com/user-150162352/nun-der-herr-ist-der-geist
15 Feb 22
@rajk999 saidWhat they claimed they did wasn’t denied and you cannot say those were not good works because Jesus also did those types of works.
I think that is a bad example. These people who called 'Lord Lord' did nothing along the lines of good works. They did wonderful works which they described as miracles, casting out demons etc. Nowhere in the teachings of Christ are these described as good works.
That passage is saying that calling Lord Lord [aka professions of faith and belief], is not sufficient for entry into the Kingdom of God