@kellyjay saidThe irony is, you owe you very existence to the evolutionary journey of you ancestors and yet speak of them with utter contempt.
Well God who is good and righteous and will never be anything less than is worthy of following. As one who owes my very existence to Him is grateful and thankful He made a way for me to be forgiven for all I have done.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidMy ancestors are no different than I am, none of them hold the universe together by the power of their words, and none of them were as good as God who grants us all life, and gives all that is required for life from the very air we breathe to keeping the universe running in law like manners. I hold none of them in contempt.
The irony is, you owe you very existence to the evolutionary journey of you ancestors and yet speak of them with utter contempt.
The journey we take isn't an evolutionary one, it is simply the life we were granted to do with as see fit, and you can look around and see what that has meant. You have repeatedly said none of us are perfect, so you acknowledge our flaws, and yet when I do it, you claim I'm holding us up in utter contempt. The difference between us is you have admitted our faults, and you still whitewash our crimes against God and each other, the world is near flames due to our hatred, and all is normal, nothing to see here?
There is a difference between God who is good, who gives us what need, whose mercy sees to it that we don't always get what we deserve for how we treat each other and God. He dealt with our crimes/sins in a very righteous manner, our justice we deal out is as corrupt as we are it doesn't always play out on a level playing field instead it can be for a large part due to money power at the expense of righteousness.
@rajk999 saidMatthew 23:27
Are there references to people who thought their outside appearance of righteousness is actually righteousness? If there are none then you are lying. Your church doctrine is fabricated nonsense.
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness.
Acts 23:3
Then Paul said to him, “God is going to strike you, you whitewashed wall! Are you sitting to judge me according to the law, and yet contrary to the law you order me to be struck?”
Whitewashed is a facade of true righteousness, colored over, whitewashed to appear one way when it is not, where one thing is said and done and another is lived out. This pretty much describes your treatment of the written word of God, and how you accuse people of things you know nothing about. Where you claim you follow Jesus and His teachings except when they don't line up with you, you must be born again, the Father seeks those who worship Him in Spirit and truth, how if we do not have the Spirit of God in us we are not His, how you ignore the word of God when it tells us we are saved by grace through faith, and you leave God out of that equation and say good works is what is all that is required. The fabrication is yours as you deviate from what is in the scriptures to what you think is right according to you.
@bigdogg saidDo you think God when He does anything, is done in such a way that, He acts in love here then, and with justice another time elsewhere? God is one, that isn't just Father, Son, and Holy Spirit it is love, grace, mercy, righteousness, holiness, and so on He always acts in accordance with His nature, overlooking a sin/crime would be to deny Himself. His justice is love, which is how we got God on the cross.
I'm very familiar with this theology. I never could get on board. It's a system that treats the teller of 1 lie as badly as the taker of 1,000 lives, because they are both imperfect.
Sorry, but that's not anything that resembles justice.
@kellyjay saidThe only appropriate answer for your stupid posts would require me to violate the forum posting guidelines. So if we ever meet in person I will tell you my response. So long.
Matthew 23:27
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness.
Acts 23:3
Then Paul said to him, “God is going to strike you, you whitewashed wall! Are you sitting to judge me according to the law, and yet contrary to the law you order me t ...[text shortened]... is yours as you deviate from what is in the scriptures to what you think is right according to you.
@kellyjay saidQuestion - if as you say God is Father Son and Holy Ghost, why do you say “him” as opposed to “them” ?
The problem is that the God who made the universe and everything in it is King, no matter if you like Him or not. If you are looking for what pleases you over Him, I am sure you will find something, wherever that takes you is up to Him, not you.
-Removed-I believe that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are for today my pastor does not teach that. I believe in a young earth my pastor does not preach that. I could do more but you should just keep your mouth shut when it comes to things you no nothing about! You can not even understand the things I have said to you, exactly how would you know what someone says you not only don’t know but have never heard of.
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@medullah saidGod is One Being, three persons. I refer to God speaking of One Being, and each member of the Godhead as individuals as God.
Question - if as you say God is Father Son and Holy Ghost, why do you say “him” as opposed to “them” ?
Them would mean three different and apart.
@kellyjay saidTrinitarians are actually polytheistic in their beliefs, happily carving up their deity while frantically stamping a foot and claiming they only believe in one God.
God is One Being, three persons. I refer to God speaking of One Being, and each member of the Godhead as individuals as God.
Them would mean three different and apart.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
I’d like to meet one that doesn’t think that 1+1+1 = 1
The thing is, if you read the bible cover to cover you would never come up with a trinity, at best duopoly, and if you removed the disgraceful translational hijacking at John 1:1 you wouldn’t manage that.
@medullah saidThe interesting thing about all that is that it is a non-issue and completely irrelevant. In the process of studying, examining the scripture, and gaining knowledge, people have lost sight of what is important and what it is that Jesus said about eternal life, i.e., who gets in and who is cast out. Nothing is wrong with discussing it, but when there comes that point where one person says you must believe that Jesus is God ... otherwise ... etc etc.... then you know you have gone astray.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
I’d like to meet one that doesn’t think that 1+1+1 = 1
The thing is, if you read the bible cover to cover you would never come up with a trinity, at best duopoly, and if you removed the disgraceful translational hijacking at John 1:1 you wouldn’t manage that.
@kellyjay saidThe Cross further perverts justice.
Do you think God when He does anything, is done in such a way that, He acts in love here then, and with justice another time elsewhere? God is one, that isn't just Father, Son, and Holy Spirit it is love, grace, mercy, righteousness, holiness, and so on He always acts in accordance with His nature, overlooking a sin/crime would be to deny Himself. His justice is love, which is how we got God on the cross.
The taker of 1,000 lives can get into heaven by accepting Jesus as his Savior, while the teller of 1 lie might not.
@bigdogg saidDeath-bed conversions are a false doctrine based on an erroneous interpretation of the thief in the cross incident. There are other writings in the Jewish library that explain the details of that 'good thief'. [I posted the quote from the Gospel of Nicodemus several times here].
The Cross further perverts justice.
The taker of 1,000 lives can get into heaven by accepting Jesus as his Savior, while the teller of 1 lie might not.
Evidently, Jesus knew the man as a child. Mary and Jesus were traveling and came across this band of thieves, and one of them begged Barrabas [the bad thief] to spare Jesus. Jesus and Mary escaped unharmed, and Jesus told Mary that 30 years from now, this thief will die on the cross with him.
In any case, God is not a respecter of persons; whatever a man sows, so shall he reap. Professing faith five minutes before you die is not going to help you escape judgment or get you into 'heaven'. It is nice to profess faith, but that does not mean you escape punishment.
... the righteous judgment of God, Who will render to every man according to his deeds? To those who, by patient continuance in well-doing, seek glory, honor, and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; but glory, honor, and peace, to every man that worketh good, of the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect for persons with God. (Romans 2:5–11 KJV)