@rajk999 saidI asked who in their own right was going to be called righteous, we agree on that none?
What a stupid question. Jesus knew that he was going to die for the sins of the whole world. All that is required now is for people to live righteously and do good works. That is all Jesus preached.
The Grace of God sent the FREE GIFT of justification upon ALL men, as Paul stated. Here it is again ... ALL MEN ... FREE GIFT.
Therefore as by the offence of one ju ...[text shortened]... life. (Romans 5:18 KJV)
I know you hate that passage ... LOL .. thats why I keep posting.
@rajk999 saidActually, why do you use scripture to begin with, since you belittle others who take it as the Word of God and you attack them for it? Your references don't mean a lot since you don't rightly divide scripture.
SHOULD ??? You really are clueless. YOU MUST DO GOOD WORKS.
Otherwise there is no eternal life.
You want the reference ?
@rajk999 saidYes, you attack Christian doctrine for your own, not some church doctrine, Christianity.
Hey, dont bother about being nice to me at all. I know why you are so abusive, and I fully understand. I am attacking your precious Christian doctrine which you thought was perfect. The truth is it is far from Christ.
@rajk999 saidNever once denied good works will be rewarded, only that sinful acts will be too, and a good one doesn't do away with a bad one, something more is required that we cannot produce on our own.
What nonsense!! Good works are not good works if the motivation is had. It then becomes 'works' or 'evil works'. All good works are rewarded by God. You really need to get out of that church and read your bible. Jesus explained this in detail
Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in he ...[text shortened]... 5 KJV)
Good works is rewarded by God.
If it is done to be seen of men it is not.
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@bigdogg saidGod (Jesus) taking on all of man's sin, guilt, shame, and iniquity of our sins, and then enduring the punishment for them by the Father satisfies God's righteous and holy nature. It doesn't pervert justice it accomplishes it. Without the cross, we are left with our sins, and accounting for every one of them will have to be had by God punishing us for what we deserve.
The Cross further perverts justice.
The taker of 1,000 lives can get into heaven by accepting Jesus as his Savior, while the teller of 1 lie might not.
God's mercy and His justice are satisfied, and God's love and anger are satisfied. God always acts following His nature at all times.
@medullah saidI know you would go there. It is a parable ... it is not a fable. A parable is a story rooted in reality which is done to make a point. A fable is a story with elements that are not real, it is more of a fantasy. So Jesus's parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus are real life situations.
@Rajk999
Read it again DG - he was telling a parable.
Let me complicate the matter further. There is such a place as purgatory. The only reason why the Roman Catholics alone preach that doctrine is that only the Catholics retained the original books of the Septuagint which is the bible of Jesus and the Apostles. Purgatory is real. Its in the bible. The Protestant bible removed those books so their understanding of these matters is retarded.
@rajk999 saidI'm not sure I'd call it purgatory, it is a place of waiting for judgment, it isn't a place where one goes and suffers for a little while to get good enough. I've heard it called "Abraham's bosom" but not sure why.
I know you would go there. It is a parable ... it is not a fable. A parable is a story rooted in reality which is done to make a point. A fable is a story with elements that are not real, it is more of a fantasy. So Jesus's parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus are real life situations.
Let me complicate the matter further. There is such a place as purgatory. The onl ...[text shortened]... ible. The Protestant bible removed those books so their understanding of these matters is retarded.
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@kellyjay saidI'm expecting you to live up to your own standard, derived from your own faith.
He has said very vile things to me over the years, NOW you want me to live up to a standard you reject, please. I am holding back! The only reason I've taken the gloves off with him is what he said earlier about scripture and his discussions with Christians.
Perhaps I expect too much of you.
Edit: End of the day, that's really what it comes down to, doesn't it. For all that talk about being transformed by the holy spirit there is nothing that sets you apart from the average atheist. You exhibit nothing that suggests Christianity improves you in any way. Even when your own scripture tells you to turn the other cheek you pick and choose what to follow.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidWell, let's look at my standard, not yours.
I'm expecting you to live up to your own standard, derived from your own faith.
Perhaps I expect too much of you.
Edit: End of the day, that's really what it comes down to, doesn't it. For all that talk about being transformed by the holy spirit there is nothing that sets you apart from the average atheist. You exhibit nothing that suggests Christianity improve ...[text shortened]... . Even when your own scripture tells you to turn the other cheek you pick and choose what to follow.
A couple of examples of what I have to go to for my standard, not yours. Calling out someone who would blind others from the faith isn't out of line. It's the attack on the faith I have issues with, the double standard of using Christian scriptures to attack the Christian faith while justifying himself with it too. I never called him like this before until he admitted he did it just to get to Christians which I told him was very deceitful as he is. I have more respect and treat Atheist better than I do him.
Now your standard, where is that, Do you have something you go for a proper way to act of you just wing it? There some guiding text you refer to, or whatever your gut says, and if that is the case why do you concern yourself with anyone else doing anything else?
John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Matthew 23:17
You blind fools! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that has made the gold sacred?
Matthew 23:26
You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean.
Acts 13
He was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, a man of intelligence, who summoned Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God. But Elymas the magician (for that is the meaning of his name) opposed them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith. But Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him and said, “You son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy, will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the Lord?
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@Rajk999
I’m glad I didn’t fail to deliver. A parable is a story according to the dictionary. This addition about it being based on truth is your creation, not something that the on line dictionary confirms.
Bearing in mind that it was the catholic’s that introduced all this pagan stuff into the Christian faith (Christmas; Easter; Limbo; eternal torment), why would you believe this purgatory yarn?
The teachings of Rome are drawn from the teachings of Babylon (trinity). (Hislop - the two Babylons)
Rev 18 foretells “Babylon the great has fallen ......... get out of her my people if you don’t want to share in her sins”.
@kellyjay saidTo clarify, when you call somebody a sociopath or mentally ill you are doing God's work and living up to His standard?
Well, let's look at my standard, not yours.
A couple of examples of what I have to go to for my standard, not yours. Calling out someone who would blind others from the faith isn't out of line. It's the attack on the faith I have issues with, the double standard of using Christian scriptures to attack the Christian faith while justifying himself with it too. I never calle ...[text shortened]... s, full of all deceit and villainy, will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the Lord?
Do you think your conscience is any different than mine because I don't subscribe to your particular brand of deity? - Even 'YOUR OWN' scripture tells you God's law is written on the heart of every single human. Are atheists not human?
@medullah saidWhat is the point of the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus ? How some people know it is not a parable but a true account of an acutal event is that a name is used .. Lazarus. Assuming it is a parable, what is the point or lesson learned from the story?
@Rajk999
I’m glad I didn’t fail to deliver. A parable is a story according to the dictionary. This addition about it being based on truth is your creation, not something that the on line dictionary confirms.
Bearing in mind that it was the catholic’s that introduced all this pagan stuff into the Christian faith (Christmas; Easter; Limbo; eternal torment), why would you ...[text shortened]... lon the great has fallen ......... get out of her my people if you don’t want to share in her sins”.
Have you read the Bible used by Jesus and the Apostles ? The Septuagint. There are English versions. Have a read and then we can talk. Right now discussing topics of that nature without knowledge is not fruitful.
What I am talking about has nothing to do with people's hatred for Catholicism and how it started. I have no interest in that and neither is it relevant.
Yep .. so when you have a read let me know
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidI will apologize to you, and everyone else, I do mean everyone else for losing my temper. My bad, I obviously let my temper go!
To clarify, when you call somebody a sociopath or mentally ill you are doing God's work and living up to His standard?
Do you think your conscience is any different than mine because I don't subscribe to your particular brand of deity? - Even 'YOUR OWN' scripture tells you God's law is written on the heart of every single human. Are atheists not human?
I deleted my justification for my actions, that would have made my apology worthless.
@rajk999 saidI hate nobody sir. You are totally missing the point which is ...
What is the point of the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus ? How some people know it is not a parable but a true account of an acutal event is that a name is used .. Lazarus. Assuming it is a parable, what is the point or lesson learned from the story?
Have you read the Bible used by Jesus and the Apostles ? The Septuagint. There are English versions. Have a read and t ...[text shortened]... I have no interest in that and neither is it relevant.
Yep .. so when you have a read let me know
That Catholicism was an amalgamation if modified Christian doctrine in order to fit in with the pagan practices of Rome, which in turn were drawn from Babylon.
So the Catholic religious authorities renamed Saturnalia to Christmas, and the festival to Ishtar became Easter and so forth. This leads to question, bearing in mind that there is no fellowship between light and dark, if you as an alleged Christian you partake in a festival or rite that you know is page, “what us you standing” before God?
I don't seek to answer it that on half if anyone, just remind anyone interested that it is a consideration.