Originally posted by jaywillSo on this second link you have posted here, which version of the trinity do you believe?
[b] Traditional Heresies Concerning the Triune God
http://www.triunegod.org/heresies/index.html
Modalism, Tritheism, or the Pure Revelation of the Triune God
http://www.contendingforthefaith.org/responses/booklets/modalism.html[/b]
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Originally posted by galveston75The third section "The Pure Revelation of the Triune God According to the Scripture" may have been the full original title. That is what I believe.
So on this second link you have posted here, which version of the trinity do you believe?
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How do you know your version is the right version?
How do you know your version is the right version?
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I suppose that you did not read the article as I did.
Only the third view accepts all the various utterances about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit without suppressing verses.
I think the portion on "The Twofoldedness of Divine Truth" is an important part of deciding which view is the most biblical. Embracing the paradox in trust of God who has testified both aspects, is the most important attitude to have.
The tendency to favor one side over against another is what causes errors. And man loves to show the vain glory of his intellect by being partial to one or the other side of a paradoxical revelation of God.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieCol 2:8Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
pity you frauds forgot to mention the latter part, 'to the Glory of the father', is there no level that you will not stoop to in order to perpetuate your lies?
Col 2:9For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
Col 2:10and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
Originally posted by jaywillI see it as a problem. If it were truth, Jesus surely would have explained clearly to us if it were, then it would be clear and easly explained. But because it isn't a Bible truth you get the results we see today. CONFUSION.
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How do you know your version is the right version?
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I suppose that you did not read the article as I did.
Only the third view accepts all the various utterances about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit without suppressing verses.
I think the portion on [b ...[text shortened]... of his intellect by being partial to one or the other side of a paradoxical revelation of God.[/b]
You yourself try to do this and it just makes no sense.
Originally posted by galveston75Why did Jesus speak in parables? What did Jesus say about it?
I see it as a problem. If it were truth, Jesus surely would have explained clearly to us if it were, then it would be clear and easly explained. But because it isn't a Bible truth you get the results we see today. CONFUSION.
You yourself try to do this and it just makes no sense.
It apparently was not to make it clear to everyone.
Originally posted by RJHindsAre you serious, what kind of logic is that? He spoke in parables to help ones understand, not to confuse. Jesus was the greatest teacher to ever live and if confusion was one of his teaching ideas that would be a terrible way to do that don't ya think?
Why did Jesus speak in parables? What did Jesus say about it?
It apparently was not to make it clear to everyone.
Originally posted by galveston75Mat 13:10And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables?"
Are you serious, what kind of logic is that? He spoke in parables to help ones understand, not to confuse. Jesus was the greatest teacher to ever live and if confusion was one of his teaching ideas that would be a terrible way to do that don't ya think?
Mat 13:11He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
Mat 13:12"For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.
Mat 13:13"Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
Mat 13:14"And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive;
Mat 13:15For the hearts of this people have grown dull. [Their] ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with [their] eyes and hear with [their] ears, Lest they should understand with [their] hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.'
Originally posted by KingDavid403Bravo. 😀
Mat 13:10And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables?"
Mat 13:11He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
Mat 13:12"For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever doe ...[text shortened]... , Lest they should understand with [their] hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.'
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Originally posted by KingDavid403Yes for ones who do not have any spiritual knowledge or want to have true spiritual knowledge it will be a mystery to them.
Mat 13:10And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables?"
Mat 13:11He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
Mat 13:12"For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever doe , Lest they should understand with [their] hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.'
But that's not the point I'm bringing out here. You who believe in the trinity and say you have spiritual knowledge can't explain the trinity. I've known and discussed this with trinitairians all my life and know many, many JW's who used to be of other religions, including my own mother, and most believed the trinity. They never understood it but were told it was truth. Many asked to have it explained to them by their preachers and never got any kind of explinations that made sense.
I've read now at RHP for over two years here and as of yet never have had it explained.
I've read these long, long rambling post by a couple here that by the time you get two paragraphs deep turns into nothing but mumbo jumbo.
No wonder the priest and preachers say "just have faith and believe"!
So no the parables were not meant to confuse all. They were meant to root out the weeds and to help the wheat to understand clearly what he was saying and to know the TRUTH of the Bible and not some demonic influanced pagan doctrine.
The trinity is not taught in the Bible and it is a spiritually blinding trick that Satan is using..... Use your common sense that God gave you all and read your Bible. The truth is there if you really want it.
Originally posted by galveston75Even after we explain the Trinity of God it is mumbo jumbo to you and
Yes for ones who do not have any spiritual knowledge or want to have true spiritual knowledge it will be a mystery to them.
But that's not the point I'm bringing out here. You who believe in the trinity and say you have spiritual knowledge can't explain the trinity. I've known and discussed this with trinitairians all my life and know many, many JW's w ...[text shortened]... se that God gave you all and read your Bible. The truth is there if you really want it.
it makes no sense to you. Maybe this verse refers to you:
Mat 13:14 "And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive;
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Originally posted by RJHindsLol... Ok, I'll give you a chance to prove it to me, one final time, by scriptures only that Jesus said he was God to anyone and that the Holy Spirit is God. Simple enough?
Even after we explain the Trinity of God it is mumbo jumbo to you and
it makes no sense to you. Maybe this verse refers to you:
Mat 13:14 "And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive;