Originally posted by galveston75LOL What a bunch of BS. You JWs are nothing but a joke. 😵
Exodus 33:20
21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
20 And He said, "Thou canst not see My face, for there shall no man see Me and live."
No man has ever seen God. No man can see him and lived. So if Jesus was God either when he was a man or after he was resurrected and now in spirit, he could not be God as many humans had seen Jesus.
So the ...[text shortened]... ather has told me them, so I speak them.”—Joh 12:49, 50; 14:10; 7:16, 17.))))))))))))))))))
Go knock on some more doors will ya??? LOL
Originally posted by galveston75From your post:
Questions from readers?
Revelation 22:13 (NW) speaks of the “Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end”. At Revelation 1:17 (NW) Christ Jesus is spoken of as “the First and the Last”. So is not Revelation 22:13 also referring to Christ? The context sounds like it, yet the Watchtower publications say Jehovah is the “Alpha ...[text shortened]... ther texts in the Bible.
I'm still waiting for the scripture where Jesus says...I am God?
Isaiah 44:6 (AS) reads: “Thus saith Jehovah, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God.”
This is just one proof that Jehovah is another name for Jesus. We all
kown from the New Testament that Paul declared Jesus to be our great
God and Savior. Jesus is the Redeemer and the King of the Jews.
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Originally posted by KingDavid403So you obviously don't get this last scripture do you? If you did you'd comment on it but instead you answer like a fool.
LOL What a bunch of BS. You JWs are nothing but a joke. 😵
Go knock on some more doors will ya??? LOL
And your own quote of this scripture in Isaiah says he is 1 God not 3 but somehow you think it means 3. How foolish..
Originally posted by galveston75Don't misquote me. I never said God was 3. And you're the one that's getting the scriptures wrong even tho there put right in FRONT of your face. Now go get a life.
So you obviously don't get this last scripture do you? If you did you comment on it but instead you answer like a fool.
And your own quote of this scripture in Isaiah says he is 1 God not 3 but somehow you think it means 3. How foolish..
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Originally posted by galveston75And you're out of the same mold as your father satan who is the father of lies. And since that's all you JWs try to get others to believe is lies and you attack others for their true beliefs straight from scripture, That makes you out of the same mold as satan who has twisted the meaning of scripture from the beginning. As when he tempted Jesus with twisted meaning of scriptures in the desert.
Lol.... Your out of the same mold as RJ it seems..
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Originally posted by galveston75God is a UNIFIED ONE, not an absolute one. Jesus said, "I and MY Father are
So you obviously don't get this last scripture do you? If you did you'd comment on it but instead you answer like a fool.
And your own quote of this scripture in Isaiah says he is 1 God not 3 but somehow you think it means 3. How foolish..
One." This is not an absolute one. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit
are a UNIFIED ONE. That is why Christians refer to a triune God. It was the
Son that appeared to Moses. No one has seen the Father at any time. The
Holy Spirit has appeared to man in the form of a dove and tongues of fire;
but the Father has never appeared to man. Jesus, the Son, is God because
the scriptures say, "All the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Him bodily."
Originally posted by RJHindsOne or the same in plans, motives, morals, etc, etc. It says nothing about them being the same being anywhere in the Bible.
God is a UNIFIED ONE, not an absolute one. Jesus said, "I and MY Father are
One." This is not an absolute one. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit
are a UNIFIED ONE. That is why Christians refer to a triune God. It was the
Son that appeared to Moses. No one has seen the Father at any time. The
Holy Spirit has appeared to man in the form of a ...[text shortened]... is God because
the scriptures say, "All the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Him bodily."
Why again does the Holy Spirit never speak up here and join in on their conversations? Isn't ( he as you say ) supposed to be equal and all knowing as the other two are? And why didn't Jesus include the Holy Spirit when he said he and his Father are one? Is the Holy Spirit not one with them also? Apperantly not.
Again I'll keep asking until you show me those scriptures where Jesus says he is GOD, equal to GOD and is indeed GOD himself!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by galveston75==============================
One or the same in plans, motives, morals, etc, etc. It says nothing about them being the same being anywhere in the Bible.
Why again does the Holy Spirit never speak up here and join in on their conversations? Isn't ( he as you say ) supposed to be equal and all knowing as the other two are? And why didn't Jesus include the Holy Spirit when he said h those scriptures where Jesus says he is GOD, equal to GOD and is indeed GOD himself!!!!!!!!!!
Why again does the Holy Spirit never speak up here and join in on their conversations?
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Your NOT hearing the Holy Spirit is not the Holy Spirit not speaking
"He who has as ear to hear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches." (Rev. 2:11)
It is repeated seven times. Christ speaks at the beginning of each letter. And at the end of each letter the call is for those who have an ear to hear what the Spirit says.
You have no ear to hear the Holy Spirit.
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Isn't ( he as you say ) supposed to be equal and all knowing as the other two are?
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The New Testament tells us as much:
"In the same way, the things of God also no one has known except the Spirit of God" ( 1 Cor. 2:11)
Imagine that. The Spirit of God knows. No wonder we read of "the mind of the Spirit" (Rom 8:27) . And the Holy Spirit "intercedes for the saints according to God."
What a wonderful mind. What wonderful interceding for the saints.
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And why didn't Jesus include the Holy Spirit when he said he and his Father are one?
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You are still ignorant. I am sure I have written it before:
"Even the Spirit of reality, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him; but you know Him, because He abides wit you and shall be in you.
I will not leave you as orphans; I am coming to you." (John 14:17,18)
The Spirit who abides with them will be abiding IN them. In the next breath Jesus says "I will not leave you as orphans; I AM COMING TO YOU."
The He of verse 17 becomes the I of verse 18. This proves that "The Lord is the Spirit" (2 Cor. 3:17)
It also proves that "the last Adam became a life giving Spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45) .
How else could the Father and the Son come to make an abode in the believers except as the Holy Spirit Who comes to abide in them not leaving them as orphans:
"If any one loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him; and Wewill come to him and make an abode with him." (John 14:23)
Now your job is to do what you always do - completely ignore these passages and stick your head in the sand like an ostrirch. Hope that by ignoring them, perhaps they will just go away.
I fully expect that standard response. You see it said that the world cannot see Him or receive Him. And that is where you wish to stay as a Jehovah's Witness - in the world.
Originally posted by jaywillYou are a little more tactful than I have been. I have told them to get
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Why again does the Holy Spirit never speak up here and join in on their conversations?
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Your NOT hearing the Holy Spirit is not the Holy Spirit not speaking
"He who has as ear to hear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches." (Rev. 2:11)
It ...[text shortened]... . And that is where you wish to stay as a Jehovah's Witness - in the world.[/b]
their head out of their A--. But they think that is not a Christian thing
to say, so I must be from Satan.
Originally posted by jaywillThat's not what I man and you know it. It's what's written in the Bible that I'm speaking of and not what you hear with the some magical spirit voices.
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Why again does the Holy Spirit never speak up here and join in on their conversations?
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Your NOT hearing the Holy Spirit is not the Holy Spirit not speaking
"He who has as ear to hear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches." (Rev. 2:11)
It ...[text shortened]... . And that is where you wish to stay as a Jehovah's Witness - in the world.[/b]
Originally posted by RJHindsWell I'd say your certianly not from Jesus and he would never speak that way or kill another human. But you are apparently above Jesus and go beyond the principles and examples he gave and told us to follow.
You are a little more tactful than I have been. I have told them to get
their head out of their A--. But they think that is not a Christian thing
to say, so I must be from Satan.
Originally posted by galveston75I am certainly not Jesus and could not speak like Him. But He did have a
Well I'd say your certianly not from Jesus and he would never speak that way or kill another human. But you are apparently above Jesus and go beyond the principles and examples he gave and told us to follow.
few choice words for the Pharisees, calling them blind guides, hyprocrites,
serpents, and a brood of vipers. I also believe you are blind, but I just
said it in a different way. He slso showed a tendency toward violence when
His anger got the best of Him and He attacked the money changers. He
killed a lot of people when He brought on the flood in Noah's day. He did
not spare the first born of the Egyptians either.
Originally posted by galveston75John 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."
One or the same in plans, motives, morals, etc, etc. It says nothing about them being the same being anywhere in the Bible.
Why again does the Holy Spirit never speak up here and join in on their conversations? Isn't ( he as you say ) supposed to be equal and all knowing as the other two are? And why didn't Jesus include the Holy Spirit when he said h ...[text shortened]... those scriptures where Jesus says he is GOD, equal to GOD and is indeed GOD himself!!!!!!!!!!
Jn.8:24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am (He), you will die in your sins."
Originally posted by galveston75At that time Jesus had not revealed the secret of the Holy Spirit to the
One or the same in plans, motives, morals, etc, etc. It says nothing about them being the same being anywhere in the Bible.
Why again does the Holy Spirit never speak up here and join in on their conversations? Isn't ( he as you say ) supposed to be equal and all knowing as the other two are? And why didn't Jesus include the Holy Spirit when he said h ...[text shortened]... those scriptures where Jesus says he is GOD, equal to GOD and is indeed GOD himself!!!!!!!!!!
disciples. That is why the Holy Spirit was not mentioned. You should
not have to ask this question, if you would just read the Holy Bible for
yourself and stop depending on the Watchtower literature for your
information. What makes you think the Father and the Son are all
knowing? Couldn't there be some little something they don't know.
Do they know everything we are thinking and everything we will ever
think? The Holy Bible says that it is the Holy Spirit that searches all
things. So if any of the three persons of the Godhead should be all
knowing, it would be the Holy Spirit, who searches all things. But
then the question occurs as to why the Holy Spirit has to search all
things if He already knows it.