Originally posted by Rajk999In conversation it is a give and take. I asked questions because I dislike assuming I know
I tell people what I think.
I provide supporting references for what I believe.
You like to ask questions.
Just say what you think or believe so that we can discuss it.
Hows that.
what the other person thinks. You have with me on several occasions misrepresented my
views and I have called you out on it. You have given me a hard time because you
claimed my views were once save always saved even though I have never promoted that.
So to avoid a misunderstanding when do you think (you have an opinion) that we are
saved?
Originally posted by KellyJayThe only give and take I see going on here is I give and you take.
In conversation it is a give and take. I asked questions because I dislike assuming I know
what the other person thinks. You have with me on several occasions misrepresented my
views and I have called you out on it. You have given me a hard time because you
claimed my views were once save always saved even though I have never promoted that.
So to avoid a misunderstanding when do you think (you have an opinion) that we are
saved?
Time for you to give and stop asking questions.
Tell me what you think and quote some references.
-Removed-Your question about me is of no relevance to the topic. However I am a Christian.
Romans 10:9 can be taken in a vacuum and the doctrine Paul is preaching there can be interpreted to mean that all you need to do is to accept Christ with your mouth and you will be saved.
But the very next verse speaks of the righteousness which can come by believing in your heart. This believing in your heart is spoken of by Christ :
This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Matthew 15:8-9 KJV)
Mouth worship is condemned by Christ. Believing in your heart means following the teachings of Christ.
If you read on from Romans 10, the very next chapter explains in great detail the process by which Jews and Gentiles are saved by Christ. They are grafted in and brought in by the blood of Christ. However just as God punished the Jews he will likewise punish the Gentiles:
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. (Romans 11:21-22 KJV)
Paul says that those who do not continue in the goodness of God will be cut off. Here he speaks of Christians
Following Christ is not optional as you seem to imply. It is essential to eternal life.
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Originally posted by Rajk999Actually the very first thing I said in this thread was this,
The only give and take I see going on here is I give and you take.
Time for you to give and stop asking questions.
Tell me what you think and quote some references.
"Do you think salvation begins at Judgment day?"
Not sure why I can ask one question and you feel I've over stepped and are demanding
I stop asking and respond to you instead without ever giving me a straight up answer. I
will gladly respond, but first please answer my question and by all means quote some
references to support your views.
If you refuse which I think is what you typically do I will answer your question anyway,
because I'm not trying to trick or trap you. I honestly wanted your views and do not have
a problem sharing mine.
Originally posted by KellyJayFor the last time. Make a comment. Say what you need to say.
Actually the very first thing I said in this thread was this,
"Do you think salvation begins at Judgment day?"
Not sure why I can ask one question and you feel I've over stepped and are demanding
I stop asking and respond to you instead without ever giving me a straight up answer. I
will gladly respond, but first please answer my question and by all ...[text shortened]... trying to trick or trap you. I honest wanted your views and do not have
a problem sharing mine.
Dont ask me anything. I have asked you nothing.
If you say something that is worthy of a reply, I will reply.