Calling Out Jesus in Rev.

@sonship said
@divegeester

The response by Ghost of a Duke is simple, honest and unequivocal. Why can't you respond like that?

He gave an answer. I have also, many times.

Now I took his answer and presented him with a particular case. He has not YET responded as far as I can see.

The answer he gave can be examined more closely. Just as any Yes or No period ans ...[text shortened]... etimes applied to God of Whom we are definitely told He is only one.

Did you watch the debate ?

@sonship said
@FMF

If divegeester doesn't come with an anti-Trinity doctrine that you believe is better than what you believe and an anti- torturer God ideology that you believe is more morally coherent than the doctrine that you believe, could it have a negative impact on his "salvation" ~ according to your own understanding?

If I engage you and examine with you s ...[text shortened]... er ANYWAY, Why I'm an Atheist."

I've been through your Argument By Apathy enough times already.

@divegeester

The question relates to the importance of a Christian accepting the trinity doctrine in order to be saved. Being "saved" or "not saved" is a "binary" condition; therefore the response requires a yes or a no which may of course be qualified.

It really isn't complicated sonship.

" ... our Savior God, Who desires all men to be saved and to come to the full knowledge of the truth." (1 Tim. 2:4)

@divegeester

This is a topic that has been running for at least three years across dozens of threads but you are just wanting to step in and ask questions now. You might find following even this thread somewhat tedious unless you have a genuine interest in the subject matter.

@sonship said

You must know that the Jehovah's Witnesses join you in fighting against One God and Father - Son - Holy Spirit. You don't want to be like them do you ?

Divegeester,


Did you watch the debate ? Did you feel the Unitarian side presented their arguments well ? I think they did. But I am more persuaded that the arguments for the trinity were better.

But within my being, I cannot tell any separation between the Holy Spirit and the Father and the Son.

In our Table Meetings in many local churches at the end we turn our worship more towards the Father. The first part are praises and thanksgivings to the Son. Towards the end wonderfully we direct more of our praises to the Father. Or we may offer high praises to the Three Who work as One - the Triune God.

@FMF

If Jehovah's Witnesses believe Jesus was sent by God and if they obey Jesus' commandments, isn't that a good thing? You think they will be tortured for eternity?

@FMF

If divegeester doesn't come with an anti-Trinity doctrine that you believe is better than what you believe and an anti- torturer God ideology that you believe is more morally coherent than the doctrine that you believe, could it have a negative impact on his "salvation" ~ according to your own understanding?

@FMF

I am simply asking you about what evidence you think you exhibit through your demeanour, I am not trying to control you.

@FMF

It's a turn of phrase drawing attention to the fact that you dodge direct questions about the things you say. Do you really not know what the idiom means?

@FMF

divegeester is asking sonship to answer his own questions. What difference does it make if he asks him straight away or waits before asking him to do so. I think you misread the exchange between them.

@FMF

Is there evidence that I was a Christian? Perhaps not. No. I can't think of anything. But I am an atheist, sonship. And there is plenty of evidence of that. Meanwhile, you are a Christian and you claim certain things about yourself with regard to that. What can someone here witness here aside from you typing and copy pasting lots of stuff?

Do you think the only things Christians should talk about are the minimum matters effecting whether they are saved or not?

@sonship said
@divegeester
I suspect that even an outsider to the faith like wolfgang would like to know WHY you want to know something anyway.