Originally posted by Rajk999 This is actually in the Bible. Christ spent lots of time with publicans and sinners and preached to them. Religious leaders were basically ignored, so I think is reasonable to say that Christ loved sinners.
precisely . In the first 4 versus of the beatitudes, that is whom Christ is talking about.
Originally posted by pritybetta Just because he spent lots of time with them dosn't mean he loved all of them. You can not say that Christ loves everyone just because he spent time with sinners. He spent time with them because the ones who say they were righteous didn't think they needed Christ to save them, only sinners need a saviour.
What about these verses, or should we just thro ...[text shortened]... d is enmity with God?
whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
For God so loved the world (interpreted from the word mankind) that he gave his only begotten son...John 3:16
Originally posted by kirksey957 Well, I have fellowship at Hooters but Josephw is giving me grief about that. Is this kind of fellowship acceptable to you? I feel God's presence there.
I agree. The beauty and complexity of His creation is all around you!
Originally posted by pritybetta Just because he spent lots of time with them dosn't mean he loved all of them. You can not say that Christ loves everyone just because he spent time with sinners. He spent time with them because the ones who say they were righteous didn't think they needed Christ to save them, only sinners need a saviour.
What about these verses, or should we just thro ...[text shortened]... d is enmity with God?
whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
You seem to be interpreting the expression 'God/Christ loves sinners' to mean that He loves the sin and wants them to keep on sinning. Thee is no need to proove that sin and sinners are despised in the Bible. The expression means that Christ loved to talk to sinners because they are often ready to listen and change their sinful ways.
Overall you seem to be nitpicking and finding petty reasons why you dont go to church. Thats often a indication that you are trying to convince yourself you are doing the right thing.
Furthermore Paul (whose doctrine you seem to follow conveniently) recommend you go to church. Find one and go and stop making silly excuses. If they dont preach what you like, use your knowlege to reform them.
Originally posted by duecer For God so loved the world (interpreted from the word mankind) that he gave his only begotten son...John 3:16
See we can do it too!😕
The word 'world' in that verse was not from the word mankind, it is the word 'kosmos'.
G2889
κόσμος
kosmos
kos'-mos
Probably from the base of G2865; orderly arrangement, that is, decoration; by implication the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitants, literally or figuratively [morally]): - adorning, world.
Originally posted by Rajk999 You seem to be interpreting the expression 'God/Christ loves sinners' to mean that He loves the sin and wants them to keep on sinning. Thee is no need to proove that sin and sinners are despised in the Bible. The expression means that Christ loved to talk to sinners because they are often ready to listen and change their sinful ways.
Overall you seem to ...[text shortened]... top making silly excuses. If they dont preach what you like, use your knowlege to reform them.
Where did I say anything to the effect that the expression means that God loves the sin? Infact the expression points out that he 'hates' the sin.
Besides, I don't go to church simply because I have not found one that is like the one in Rev. 3:7-8. And we have tried to talk to most of the churches around here, they just simply tried to twist what they teach to fit what we were explaining to them, or they would not want to hear us at all and would brush us off.
Originally posted by pritybetta .....Besides, I don't go to church simply because I have not found one that is like the one in Rev. 3:7-8. And we have tried to talk to most of the churches around here, they just simply tried to twist what they teach to fit what we were explaining to them, or they would not want to hear us at all and would brush us off.
There is no requirement to go to a perfect church.
You think there is a chance, however slim, that you are condemning a church that Christ might accept?
Originally posted by kirksey957 All the waitresses at my Hooters who have problems know they can come and sit at my table and I will listen to them to offer my guidance.
Do you look them straight in the eye ... kirksey ?
Be honest.
Originally posted by Rajk999 Do you look them straight in the eye ... kirksey ?
Be honest.
Well, any good therapist will tell you that you have to take in the whole picture to get an accurate appraisal of a situation. In that respect I'm a professional.
Originally posted by Rajk999 There is no requirement to go to a perfect church.
You think there is a chance, however slim, that you are condemning a church that Christ might accept?
Do you believe that if a church teaches a lie Christ will accept it?
Originally posted by kirksey957 Well, any good therapist will tell you that you have to take in the whole picture to get an accurate appraisal of a situation. In that respect I'm a professional.
10 Jul '08 18:40
Calling out Pritybetta and Josephw
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