@ghost-of-a-duke saidI look it up when I get home, but they must say Godhead why?
Not what I asked.
I asked for a 'reference where the Holy Spirit is mentioned by the apostles as a member of the Godhead.'
Do you have one?
@kellyjay saidIf the apostles didn't view the Holy Ghost as part of the Godhead then they can not be said to have believed in the trinity.
I look it up when I get home, but they must say Godhead why?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidAnd only the use of that one word from them settles that for you?
If the apostles didn't view the Holy Ghost as part of the Godhead then they can not be said to have believed in the trinity.
@kellyjay saidI asked Kelly if they viewed the Holy Ghost as part of the Godhead. If you can reference a different word that shows they believed the Holy Ghost was part of the trinity then that would be fine too.
And only the use of that one word from them settles that for you?
I look forward to the reference.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI know the word Godhead is in the King James version, the word Godhead centers
I asked Kelly if they viewed the Holy Ghost as part of the Godhead. If you can reference a different word that shows they believed the Holy Ghost was part of the trinity then that would be fine too.
I look forward to the reference.
on a divine being. This would not be an angel because of the limitations both
God's angels and the devils angels have, they are not for example, everywhere at
once. While God is everywhere at once, so when Jesus said that it was important
that He leave so he could send the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit enters into every
believer who receives Him. He isn't jumping from one to the next, He is not
running back and forth His divine nature allows Him to be in all of us at the same
time. The believers of the day knew this, they understood that when people were
filled with the Holy Spirit God had accepted them.
I'd top this off with some of Jesus' parting words, "...name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
There is no doubt the Spirit of God is God, He is God's Spirit. When Jesus spoke
of Him He said, "...he shall testify of me", we are also told not to grieve the Holy
Spirit.
Romans 8:9
English Standard Version
You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
Acts 2:4
English Standard Version
And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Acts 10:45
English Standard Version
And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles.
Acts 2:17
King James Version
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
John 15:26
King James Version
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Ephesians 4:30
King James Version
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Matthew 28:19
King James Version
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
@ghost-of-a-duke saidTrinity is a modern word, they didn't need it, since the OT provided one already.
If the apostles didn't view the Holy Ghost as part of the Godhead then they can not be said to have believed in the trinity.
Hear O Israel, Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is ehhad. (Deuteronomy 6:4)
@divegeester @Ghost-of-a-duke
You guys need to learn and understand just who it is your argument is with! The question concerning the identity and nature of God is answered by God in His Word. That's where the matter is settled.
So I'm putting it on you to do the leg work and figure it out for yourselves. With a little boost.
The word "spirit" occurs in 234 verses of the New Testament of the KJV. More than once in some verses.
The word "spirit" is capitalized 132 times.
The word "spirit" occurs lower case 122 times.
Now it's on you to go and read every verse, and the contexts in which they appear, and think about what is being said, and why. That is, if you really want to know the truth.
For you Ghost it's only an exercise in academics relative to grammar, since you don't really have a horse in the race.
For you divegeester the matter will be settled between you and your God.
Frankly, it's an exciting study. I've poured over it many times and come away enriched. It's simple and easy. Depending on how fast you can read, your level of comprehension and how deep you want to dig, you should be able to go through it in a relatively short time.
When you are through, and if you're honest with the text, and with yourself, who knows what gems of truth you will most certainly discover.
But if you refuse to read the verses and their surrounding contexts, with an open mind and a ready spirit, and refuse to except what is being said by the scriptures, and fail to do this simple study, then your intellectual integrity and honesty will be in question.
P.S. You'll need a concordance. There are many other study guides available online. Most are free.
Are the 3 distinct personalities of your version of the Godhead co-equal.
Yes or no?
Run for the hills everybody. Another tough question from Divegeester.
Divegeester, do you think that human language can perfectly describe God ?
Yes or No?
If Yes - would you do so please for us?
If No - do you mind if some of us TRY, knowing that human language has its limitations. Our explanation of His nature will not be as perfect as God Himself is.