@secondson said
What an incredibly ignorant thing to say. The truth is what God says it is.

But for you "Truth" is just a metaphor obviously. Lord knows we won't be hearing you talking about God's truth except when you're channeling ToO, and in the case of your post above, FMF.

@divegeester said
Is that your god or my god?

Your the one who can’t decipher methaphor from literal in Mathew old boy. After 30+ years of “paying the odd bill” and throwing your “spiritual muscle” around in the youth group you really should focus on some bible study.

@divegeester

Human language is limited in fully describing the nature of God. I think you made some progress.

Let me ask you this:

Had you been the writer of the Gospel of John would you NOT have written these verses ?

"If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him." (John 14:23)

Divegeester,

The Apostle John recorded Christ praying to the Father -

"That they all may be one; even as You Father, are in Me and I in You, they also may be in Us; ..." (John 17:21)

"Hear O Israel, Jehovah is our God; Jehovah is one." (Deut. 6:4)

Divegeester,

I don't think the mere mental belief in any doctrine results in receiving eternal life if the living Person of Jesus has not been received as Lord.

You called me out so you can answer me:

Is the "We" in John 14:23.

1.) The Father only?

2.) The Son only?

3.) Both the Father and the Son ?

Answer - 1, 2, or 3 ? Please.

Divegeester,

I don't think the mere mental belief in any doctrine results in receiving eternal life if the living Person of Jesus has not been received as Lord.

'That they all may be one, even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us; ..." (John 17:21a)

@sonship said

Divegeester,

I don't think the mere mental belief in any doctrine results in receiving eternal life if the living Person of Jesus has not been received as Lord.

You can answer me:

Is the "Us" in John 17::21.

[quote] 'That they all may be one, even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us; ..." (John 17:21a ...[text shortened]... on only?

[b] 3.) Both the Father and the Son ?

Answer - 1, 2, or 3 ? Please.

@divegeester

Don't let me know when you graduate from a gutless troll. It's likely to never be.

You "call me out" and then slink away into your self delusions of grandeur.

Here you go sonship...14 pages in and you still haven’t answered.

@divegeester said
Sonship, for three years I’ve been asking you if I have to believe in the trinity doctrine to be saved and for three years you have been refusing to give me a straight yes or no answer, because you claim that there isn’t one. I’ve told you for three years that I don’t believe you.

Here is a copy/paste from the statement of beliefs from the website of your own church sect:

”In order to be saved, one must have a living faith in the Person and work of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Every genuinely saved one has what the Bible calls the “common faith” (Titus 1:4), which includes what we must believe in order to be saved: we must believe that the Bible is the complete divine revelation wholly inspired by God; that there is a unique Triune God, the Father, the Son, and the Spirit; that Jesus Christ is the Son of God incarnated to be a man; that Christ died on the cross for our sins, shedding His blood for our redemption; that on the third day He was bodily raised from the dead; that He has been exalted to the right hand of God and made the Lord of all; and that He is coming again for His own and to set up His kingdom on earth.”

https://www.localchurches.org/beliefs/salvation/

There it is in unequivocal black and white text. So why is it so hard for you to copy/paste this text and justify it when I’ve been asking you for clarity for three years?!

Of course I don’t believe in the trinity doctrine and therefore you cannot classify me as Christian and therefore I will burn in Hell with the rest Of the unbelievers.

Perhaps you were right to be ashamed of this

Perhaps you were right to be ashamed of this

@divegeester

From the SAME PUBLICATION a paragraph or so below your paste.
https://www.localchurches.org/beliefs/salvation/

In Christ God has provided for man a full and complete salvation. This full salvation includes our whole being: spirit, soul, and body. In God’s salvation, man’s spirit is regenerated, his soul is being transformed, and his body will be transfigured.

In order to be saved, one must have a living faith in the Person and work of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Every genuinely saved one has what the Bible calls the “common faith” (Titus 1:4), which includes what we must believe in order to be saved: we must believe that the Bible is the complete divine revelation wholly inspired by God; that there is a unique Triune God, the Father, the Son, and the Spirit; that Jesus Christ is the Son of God incarnated to be a man; that Christ died on the cross for our sins, shedding His blood for our redemption; that on the third day He was bodily raised from the dead; that He has been exalted to the right hand of God and made the Lord of all; and that He is coming again for His own and to set up His kingdom on earth.

Eternal salvation is by grace through faith, not by our works.

In order to be saved, one must have a living contact with Jesus Christ. Therefore, in bringing unbelievers to salvation, we emphasize prayer and calling on the name of the Lord. According to Romans 10:9 and 10, if a man is to be saved, he must believe in his heart and confess with his mouth.

Once a person has been saved, he may have both the assurance of salvation and the security of salvation. Once we are saved, we are saved forever.

@sonship said

Perhaps you were right to be ashamed of this

Talk about ashamed Divegeester ?

Watch this.

Divegeester, place the websites of any group of worshippers you have met with in the last 30 years.
Then we may examine their statement's of faith or outline of beliefs.

If you refuse, why should we not figure that behind all your excuses is some kind ...[text shortened]... ievers he has come together with. Or will we be treated to a barrage of excuses for his concealment.

@sonship said

Perhaps you were right to be ashamed of this

Talk about ashamed Divegeester ?

Watch this.

Divegeester, place the websites of any group of worshippers you have met with in the last 30 years.
Then we may examine their statement's of faith or outline of beliefs.

If you refuse, why should we not figure that behind all your excuses is some kind ...[text shortened]... ievers he has come together with. Or will we be treated to a barrage of excuses for his concealment.

@suzianne said
Tumbleweeds...

@sonship said
@divegeester

Don't let me know when you graduate from a gutless troll. It's likely to never be.

You "call me out" and then slink away into your self delusions of grandeur.