Calling out ThinkOfOne

@sonship said
The New Testament documents are historical documents.
The history happened or it did not.

The New Testament is a document which contributes to the piecing together of history.

@sonship said
Aside from faith, either there was a man who spoke and acted in a manner that had a cataclysmic impact of world history or it didn't happen.

I believe Jesus was a historical figure but I could be wrong. Christianity has certainly had a big impact.

@sonship said
Now you dodged the linking business as far as I can see.

No I didn't.

@FMF

You don't have to. I haven't said you "should".

You're implying that everyone should.
You're implying that that is a better approach.

When it comes to the events of a person and the writing down of those events about him or her, who in ancient history do you think fairs better than Jesus ?

To those impressed with FMF's theory that they wrote about Jesus TOOOOOOO LOOOONG after He lived.

Gary Habermas has some things for you to think about.

The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars - Gary Habermas at UCSB

YouTube

And if anyone prefer to see Habermas work in DEBATE MODE with those of equal historical research credentials,
Here he is in debate mode.

Kenneth Humphreys vs Gary Habermas - Was The Resurrection An Invention - 2008

YouTube

@sonship said
@FMF

Huh?

Read it again slowly. You'll get it.

I have a conspiracy theory about your mother and father. I bet I can offer a plausible argument ad infinitum that you have been victim of a conspiracy as to the identity of your parents.

Doesn't it bother you that you've been lied to about who your parents are really ?
How do you know that the person you called "father" was actually your father ?

You're now talking about my parents?

@sonship said
In the Hebrew Bible the lamb slain was to be examined for defects for four days.
Jesus went up to be examined by the religious power structures for four days before He was executed.

How did Jesus arrange for His death to occur on the night the passover lamb was to be slain?

I have no reason to believe any of this. I am not a Christian.

@sonship said
@FMF

You don't have to. I haven't said you "should".

You're implying that everyone should.
You're implying that that is a better approach.

You should subscribe to whatever religion and whatever approach to religious texts you want. Because of my loss of faith, sharing your religion obviously became untenable.

@FMF

You're now talking about my parents?

Yes. I can manufacture endless arguments that you are GULLIBLE to have believed that the person you called your father is something you have to be suspicious of.

You can come here and display your endless arguments not to trust Jesus and His apostles.
WOW.

OKay, I can invent endless logical arguments to cast doubt that you know who your father was, no matter how much you trusted him.

He may be the greatest guy around. You don't KNOW that he is really your father. How do you know that your parents didn't conceive a conspiracy to make you THINK you belonged to them ?

@FMF

Because of my loss of faith, sharing your religion obviously became untenable.

Huh ?

Many people say many things and have many feelings. Right ??

What happened to MANY people say many things things about feelings. Big deal.

Applies to others but not to you ?

@sonship said
@FMF

Huh ?

Many people say many things and have many feelings. Right ??

Your feeling that you "have met Jesus" is not evidence of anything to me other than evidence of your religious beliefs. One thousand or a million people having such feelings or similar feelings or different feelings... it doesn't amount to much. Widespread "religious experience" is not evidence of supernatural causality.

@sonship said
What happened to MANY people say many things things about feelings. Big deal.

Applies to others but not to you ?

Your feeling that you "have met Jesus" does not affect me.

@sonship said
@FMF

You're now talking about my parents?

Yes. I can manufacture endless arguments that you are GULLIBLE to have believed that the person you called your father is something you have to be suspicious of.

You can come here and display your endless arguments not to trust Jesus and His apostles.
WOW.

OKay, I can invent endless logical argume ...[text shortened]... do you know that your parents didn't conceive a conspiracy to make you THINK you belonged to them ?

Why are you talking about my parents?

@FMF

I have reason to believe any of this. I am not a Christian.

So you want to talk about history. And you don't want to say you believe something because the Bible says so.

But when your history is put up to examination you want to fall back on "I use to be Christian" and "Oh, I am not a Christian."

That thousands of Jerusalem Jews suddenly changed their tradition has a historical reason which doesn't require you to say you're a Christian.

@sonship said
OKay, I can invent endless logical arguments to cast doubt that you know who your father was, no matter how much you trusted him.

Do whatever you feel you need to do, sonship. But if you want to do a proper parody of my stance, then you'll have to restrict yourself to only stating things about my "father" that you actually believe.

@sonship said
But when your history is put up to examination you want to fall back on "I use to be Christian" and "Oh, I am not a Christian."

Believe what you want about me.