@thinkofone saidExcept you cherry pick Jesus' words, you don't look at Christ as the sure foundation you pick what words of His you want to talk about, you most certainly do not share all of them. You also don't talk about why you think Jesus is important enough to talk about, you are quiet silent on that point as well, and as such you have no bases to tell anyone else why obeying Jesus Christ is important.
Jesus Christ is the foundation. It's clear you understand nothing about the gospel.
It's clear you understand nothing about the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth.
According to the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth, the words Jesus spoke when preaching His gospel while He walked the Earth ARE the foundation.
My foundation re ...[text shortened]... floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.”
@kellyjay saidwhat about this Jesus you are talking about makes Him worthy to be listened to?
I can tell you why the Jesus I talk about should be listened too, and I can tell you who He is, why He was sent here, and by whom. I can tell you the Jesus I worship and obey is worthy, I can tell you that the Jesus whose name I pray in, has a name above every other name.
You have not been able so say anything other than there is something magical about the words uttered ...[text shortened]... sters little brother what about this Jesus you are talking about makes Him worthy to be listened to?
Jesus explained why his words are "worthy to be listened to". Evidently you can't hear his words.
Reread His words from my earlier posts. Following is but a small subset:
John 6
63“It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. 64“But there are some of you who do not believe.”
John 8
34Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin.
31So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you abide in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; 32and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
@thinkofone saidWho are you referring to, the Jesus who is the Son of God? The Jesus that was sent from God? Quoting scripture has been, is, and will be done by Satan too. Put things in context whose words are you quoting, explain who Jesus is! You are the one not just me the vast majority of posters here cannot hear, because you don't say anything that matters. Exactly how many verses of scripture do you quote 5 to 8, you realize there are many more!?
what about this Jesus you are talking about makes Him worthy to be listened to?
Jesus explained why his words are "worthy to be listened to". Evidently you can't hear his words.
Reread His words from my earlier posts. Following is but a small subset:
John 6
63“It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to ...[text shortened]... u are truly disciples of Mine; 32and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
@thinkofone saidMatthew 21:42
Jesus Christ is the foundation. It's clear you understand nothing about the gospel.
It's clear you understand nothing about the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth.
According to the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth, the words Jesus spoke when preaching His gospel while He walked the Earth ARE the foundation.
My foundation re ...[text shortened]... floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.”
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Jesus is the stone, the head of the corner, the foundation of Israel and the church.
Ephesians 2:19-22
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
I don't think there's anything anyone can say to you because there's no reasoning with someone who's mind is unaffected by the Spirit of God, and cannot hear the truth of the scriptures, but only the sound of their own voice.
I wish I could say you were at least a religious zealot, but I can't because your doctrine is so narrowly confined to a fixed set of scriptures, exclusive of the whole body of scripture excepted by the apostles and prophets and church fathers since the first century.
At best you're probably just a nut job looking for attention.
-Removed-Nice emotional response. Fact remains that in this forum you set yourself up as judge of the Christians posting here. You have made many negative remarks of ridicule directed at the persons posting in this forum.
By your own admission you have separated yourself from the Christians posting here, and you've done so venomously with unconcealed contempt.
Obviously you'd rather stroke the egos of those that reject Christ, and be accepted by them, than be in unity with the children of God, and be in agreement with the clear teaching of scripture.
@secondson saidCan you list the disagreements you have with divegeester with regard to teaching?
Obviously you'd rather stroke the egos of those that reject Christ, and be accepted by them, than be in unity with the children of God, and be in agreement with the clear teaching of scripture.
@secondson saidYour bible is a manufactured text. Written long after and arranged quite deliberately to promote a state sponsored belief system
Why don't you try being objective and accept the fact that the Bible is true and has never been proven false.
It is a lie.
It is manufactured history.
It is rubbish.
Prove me wrong.
@caissad4 saidI thought one of the biggest atheist talking points was something like that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Your bible is a manufactured text. Written long after and arranged quite deliberately to promote a state sponsored belief system
It is a lie.
It is manufactured history.
It is rubbish.
Prove me wrong.
I haven't seen the beginning of a compelling argument here so I will just pass.
@philokalia saidI am agnostic.
I thought one of the biggest atheist talking points was something like that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
I haven't seen the beginning of a compelling argument here so I will just pass.
He claimed that his holy book was "fact". His "facts" should prove his statement and disprove mine.
@caissad4 said... Sure?
I am agnostic.
He claimed that his holy book was "fact". His "facts" should prove his statement and disprove mine.
Check out Finklestein's The Bible Unearthed for a very in-depth treatment of the Old Testament.
Basically, the overwhelmingly bulk of the OT has been proven. Finklestein, though, disputed the timeline, and placed everything several centuries after when it was initially stated, saying that there would have been no 11th century Jerusalem as an important city, and that they simply had pushed this back into time further. This aided his hypothesis that everything was shifted backwards and the totality of the Bible was likely composed during/after the Babylonian captivity.
However, shortly after his publication in around 2010 I think it was, archeological evidence was found showing that there was a 5 meter high wall tha was hundreds of meters long around what would have been the historic city, making it infinitely more important than previously thought; other archeological evidence contemporary to this also suggests the power of the Edomites and thus shifts attention away from the classical concept that everyone but the Assyrians and Egyptians were exceedingly weak at this time:
https://www.gospelherald.com/articles/69458/20170128/wall-from-time-of-king-david-unearthed-in-southern-israel-could-be-evidence-for-old-testament-verse.htm
Finklestein otherwise just generally confirms through archeology the conquest of Canaan and the likes.
... As far as the New Testament goes, there is no reason why there would be extensive documentation existing independent of the Bible.
Why would there be a surviving cache of Roman texts from the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd century BC meticulously documenting one specific religion that would have been viewed as a Jewish cult? It's surprising enough that we have lots of documents suggesting it was an important movement that Pagans talked about at all.
We don't even know where Seneca was born or what the circumstances of his life was so much in spite of the fact that he was a highly influential adviser to the Emperor and a public intellectual... Yet you would expect that there would be some abundance of documentation about what Christians were doing? OF course not.
You either accept what the Christians have said and recorded about themselves (which is sometimes not flattering at all), or you accept that the question is unanswerable.
Do you see my point?
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@secondson saidI don't think there are very many actually, that being the point implicit in my request for a list ...if you can provide one. Just mention 4 or 5. You don't have to mention them all.
Yes I can, but there's not enough space in this forum.
@secondson saiddivegeester believes in God as a creator being and law giver, and he believes the universe was created. He's not a Young Earth Creationist though. I am sure there are hundreds and hundreds of millions of Christians who see Genesis as being allegorical. This surely cannot be characterized as a disagreement over fundamental Christian teaching. What else would be on that list?
Let's keep it simple. Consider the creation account. No doubt divegeester believes it's all metaphorical when in fact it's literal.