1. Standard memberKellyJay
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    Can Science see God or acknowledge the possibility of God?
    Are these questions beyond the scope of science?
    Can we know all there is only using science?
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    @kellyjay said
    Can Science see God or acknowledge the possibility of God?
    Are these questions beyond the scope of science?
    Can we know all there is only using science?
    The word that pertains to notions about supernatural causality is "superstition". The word" science" pertains to natural phenomena ~ not supernatural phenomena.
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    @fmf said
    The word that pertains to notions about supernatural causality is "superstition". The word" science" pertains to natural phenomena ~ not supernatural phenomena.
    So it isn't that there is no evidence for God in science, it is that science refuses to
    see even the possibility of God. That sort of makes it very circular don't you think?
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    @kellyjay said
    So it isn't that there is no evidence for God in science, it is that science refuses to
    see even the possibility of God. That sort of makes it very circular don't you think?
    It's your prerogative if you want to choose superstition over science to arrive at your worldview but you can't commandeer the word "science" in order to pretend that your God stuff is knowledge about the natural world that is based on facts learned through experiments and observation.
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    @kellyjay said
    So it isn't that there is no evidence for God in science, it is that science refuses to
    see even the possibility of God. That sort of makes it very circular don't you think?
    Science discounts things that are not scientific. And rightly so.
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    @ghost-of-a-duke said
    Science discounts things that are not scientific. And rightly so.
    That is all fine and good!

    If God isn't found in science it is not because God isn't real, it is because of how we
    now define science, it now refuses to accept the possibility!

    The blinders are put on to refuse the possibility then it will always be a circular
    logic that denies God. You cannot have it both ways, if evidence points to God
    than that evidence has to be rejected out of hand because of how science is now
    defined, it wasn't always that way. So with modern science not because the truth
    doesn't show us only that a refusal to see it does.

    If science were purely to go where the evidence leads, then there can be nothing
    that can be rejected before the search begins. Yet today, the "not scientific" is
    there before the search begins, again very circular not an honest search.

    Didn't you just say a little while back that if you accepted God, you'd have to
    throw out science or something along that line? I submit that the only thing you'd
    have to throw away would only be "the blinders" that keep you from truth! Science
    without blinders would still remain without preconceived notions.
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    @ghost-of-a-duke said
    Science discounts things that are not scientific. And rightly so.
    Just watched something interesting that even the scientific things are not looked
    at as they should be. Short talk I think you will find it very thought provoking.

    YouTube
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    @kellyjay said
    Can Science see God or acknowledge the possibility of God?
    Are these questions beyond the scope of science?
    Can we know all there is only using science?
    You probably are referring to the Abrahamic god.
    Science has proven your creation story is a fairy tale.
    Science has proven the earth is 4.5 billion years old not 6,000 years.
    Science has proven Noah's ark story is a fairy tale also.
    If there is a god, it is certainly not yours'.
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    @caissad4 said
    You probably are referring to the Abrahamic god.
    Science has proven your creation story is a fairy tale.
    Science has proven the earth is 4.5 billion years old not 6,000 years.
    Science has proven Noah's ark story is a fairy tale also.
    If there is a god, it is certainly not yours'.
    Okay, sure!
    Does science have something it can point to where we can see where everything
    came from, you know the something from nothing? I will not hold my breath
    on you getting back to me on this. I'm not tied to an age of the earth being
    anything, I believe its around 6K but it isn't a make or break issue with me. You
    have proof that the earth is 4.5 billion years old, not 15 billion, not 14.5, not
    21 billion years old? I will not hold my breath waiting on you to produce this
    either. Science has proven Noah's ark story is a fairy tale, okay how did that
    happen?

    I will not hold my breath on Noah's ark story either, you guys are really tricky when
    I say I will. 🙂

    If there is a god it isn't mine, you that because you know who the God I serve
    is and know the real one?
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    @kellyjay said
    Can Science see God or acknowledge the possibility of God?
    Are these questions beyond the scope of science?
    Can we know all there is only using science?
    Science really has no limits as to its scope.
    If gods exist they would be a legitimate field of enquiry for science.

    As to knowing all there is ... if it is possible it will be possible with science.
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    @kellyjay said
    So it isn't that there is no evidence for God in science, it is that science refuses to
    see even the possibility of God.
    Do you think it logical for science to accept the possibility of all things?
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    @wolfgang59 said
    Do you think it logical for science to accept the possibility of all things?
    All things could be possible, but likely no.
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    @kellyjay said
    All things could be possible, but likely no.
    Do you think it logical for science to accept the possibility of all things?
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    @wolfgang59 said
    Do you think it logical for science to accept the possibility of all things?
    It's not logical for science to accept anything until tested.

    Science can't test the existence of God.

    That seems logical to me.
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    @secondson said
    It's not logical for science to accept anything until tested.

    Science can't test the existence of God.

    That seems logical to me.
    That was not the question, was it?
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