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@secondson saidYet another post with completely vacuous accusations from secondson. What a surprise.
I'm not defending kelly. Are you that dense?
I'm calling you out for the lying hypocrite you are.
@secondson saidYet another post with completely vacuous accusations from secondson. What a surprise.
I'm not defending kelly. Are you that dense?
I'm calling you out for the lying hypocrite you are.
@divegeester said"Pretence"? What "pretence" is that exactly? Go ahead DG. See if you can formulate a cogent argument. You've got about as much chance of that as GoaD.
You are a fake and a coward old chap. You came to these forums with a pretence and that pretence has been exposed. If you fessed up, showed your hand etc, you could move on from this embarrassment you are experiencing.
@suzianne saidIf there is no evidence for God, it becomes evidence for no God by the lack of it. You can not have it both ways! It would be just true as those who get confronted with evidence for a designer, it gives rise to doubts about their world view of a undirected natural process destroyed.
No, science deals with evidence. There is no evidence for God, there is no evidence against God. (Personally, I'd rather have Free Will.) Scientists, on their own, away from work, have every right to believe in God or not to believe, just like everyone else. That belief has zero place in their work. I want people of science to follow the science in their work. T ...[text shortened]... n time. They're hired because of their qualifications in science, not for their opinions about God.
@kellyjay saidI don't see that.
If there is no evidence for God, it becomes evidence for no God by the lack of it. You can not have it both ways! It would be just true as those who get confronted with evidence for a designer, it gives rise to doubts about their world view of a undirected natural process destroyed.
This highlights the difficulty for people going into any study, there are people who are very invested in all findings.
@kellyjay saidYou are coming across as insecure in your faith and evidently feel the need to try to hijack the idea of "science" to bolster your assertions about supernatural causality.
If there is no evidence for God, it becomes evidence for no God by the lack of it. You can not have it both ways! It would be just true as those who get confronted with evidence for a designer, it gives rise to doubts about their world view of a undirected natural process destroyed.
@kellyjay saidScience discovers patterns in nature, but no purpose — only mechanism; therefore, science imputes no purpose to a Somebody whose purpose it might be.
I agree completely, a follow up questions if you don't mind.
Now one of the things debated here and else where, is that undirected natural
processes are the cause for some very complex things forming. You think it is
possible to tell the difference between an undirected natural process and a
directed one, when while looking at something so complex we don't grasp the
l ...[text shortened]... there is a price for such an
acknowledgement that can cost someone dearly. This reaction justified?
@fmf saidHijack science? Someone own that?
You are coming across as insecure in your faith and evidently feel the need to try to hijack the idea of "science" to bolster your assertions about supernatural causality.
@moonbus saidWhen you see instructions guiding process you think this is mindless?
Science discovers patterns in nature, but no purpose — only mechanism; therefore, science imputes no purpose to a Somebody whose purpose it might be.
Regarding snowflakes and design. The word "design" in English conceals a pregnant vagueness: it can mean "regularity," "pattern", or it can mean "intention," "purpose" (e.g., 'he has designs on the White House,' ...[text shortened]... e of purpose, intention, goal), and then think that design implies a Designer. This is faulty logic.
@kellyjay saidYou are clearly wanting to take the word "science" and apply it to the assertions and notions you have about unprovable, untestable supernatural phenomena that are a product of your superstition and faith.
Hijack science? Someone own that?
@kellyjay saidHow does this address the logical blunder of yours that moonbus pointed out?
Since I believe the whole universe is evidence for God I see no lack of it.
@kellyjay saidIt does.
Science should go where the evidence leads no matter where that is and what we
think the evidence is saying.
@kellyjay said"Instructions"?
When you see instructions guiding process you think this is mindless?
@kellyjay saidThank you for your apology.
Yes, sorry that was me being a smart a$$, my bad it wasn't a good idea.